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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:29 am

One "delivery" so far.

Apparently, a Tesla is designated as a production vehicle, once Elon Musk has his.

So, how long do you think it will be before those other than TSLA insiders or employees are allowed to buy 3s?

How long before TSLA even releases the model 3 specifications and pricing?

Does Tesla's version of a 'production' car meet muster?

OTHER AUTOMAKERS WOULD CALL THESE MODEL 3'S PRE-PRODUCTION CARS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TESTING INVOLVED


Ready or not, the Tesla Model 3 is on its way. Tesla head Elon Musk says the first production Model 3 is built and worthy of the road.

This “production” car Musk revealed with a tweet on Saturday is still full of mystery, though: We have no full official spec sheet, interior photos or pricing information beyond the $35,000 starting MSRP. For a car going into consumers’ homes, this is abnormal. However, Tesla isn’t a normal car company, so we’ve come to expect these kinds of things from them.

That said, there are legitimate questions as to the level of testing and preproduction work done on the Model 3...


http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/ ... uction-car


Tesla Model 3's margin for error? Zero

Tesla has painted itself into a corner with the new Model 3 sedan, the company's first high-volume vehicle. Without a nationwide dealer network, the margin for errors in product development, engineering and manufacturing is zero or close to it.

While Tesla has pioneered over-the-air fixes for software glitches and to update the Model S and Model X, that strategy isn't going to work if the Model 3 leaves the plant with parts that don't fit properly or that break.

With the low-volume Model S and Model X, Tesla sends a truck to collect vehicles that need repairs when the customer is not close to a service center. That plan is impractical for the Model 3, which starts at about $35,000 and has a backlog of at least 325,000 orders. Tesla hopes to be producing 1 million cars a year by 2020.

While the Model 3 has had a typical product development cycle, engineering and manufacturing details about the sedan remain sparse. But the Model 3 launch likely will be among the most scrutinized of any in recent auto industry history.

Looking at the Model 3 from a manufacturing standpoint, nothing can go wrong without costing Tesla immense amounts of cash to rectify...


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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:00 pm

They've already announced they will have an "event" at the end of the month where they will deliver the first customer cars. Keep calm guys.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:11 pm

palmermd wrote:They've already announced they will have an "event" at the end of the month where they will deliver the first customer cars. Keep calm guys.

Question is, which of those are "real" customers (if any) vs. Tesla and SpaceX employees.

I haven't kept up with the news but it sounds like http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3- ... ees-first/ is (mostly?) right in terms of rollout plans.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:23 am

The recent interior shots of a Model 3 have produce a bit of angst over at TMC, since the 3 apparently includes door-map and seat-back pockets, a long-time wishlist item on the Model S.
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Of course the trolls suggest this means the 3 won't include Nav on the console, thus requiring the pockets for paper maps. :lol:
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:53 pm

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:23 am

Title: Tesla Model 3 To Come With 48-Amp Onboard Charger
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-to-c ... d-charger/

About 29 miles added ever hour. About 11.5 kW (example: 29*8hr=232 miles)

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:02 am

scottf200 wrote:Title: Tesla Model 3 To Come With 48-Amp Onboard Charger

Of course, that's the exact same OBC that comes by default on the Model S 75. But the article's author seems to want to add some FUD, since he doesn't point that out and instead focuses that it's less than what comes on the Model S 100, which has the higher capacity dual charger by default.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:12 am

cwerdna wrote:
palmermd wrote:They've already announced they will have an "event" at the end of the month where they will deliver the first customer cars. Keep calm guys.

Question is, which of those are "real" customers (if any) vs. Tesla and SpaceX employees.

I haven't kept up with the news but it sounds like http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3- ... ees-first/ is (mostly?) right in terms of rollout plans.


Yes, will be rolled out to Tesla & SpaceX employees first. This has always been part of their plan. We've known this since before March '16 when they first started accepting reservations, and is a prudent step in allowing for a an accelerated roll out.

I'm really unsure what the big deal here is. It seems to me like the point is trying to be made that really these aren't production cars because they are going personally to Elon, or board members, or employees, or next, only to people in CA. Fine, whatever...by the time we get to October (really just over 2 months away at this point), and certainly by November, I would expect the employee backlog to be met and deliveries being made to non-employees.

So really, what's the big deal? Is the complaint that Tesla shouldn't be allowed to toot its own horn when it delivers its first vehicle that came off the same production line that will be used for mass production? You can't wait another 3 months for that to start happening? I mean if you would ask anyone, even Elon Musk, in March '16 when they thought production cars would start rolling off the line you'd probably hear early 2018 more often than late 2017. So yeah, even true volume deliveries by October or November of '17 is an amazing feat.

Oh, and by the way, it cuts both ways. The Tesla fanboys themselves said the same thing about the Bolt when it first started rolling out, calling it a compliance car because it was only available in CA and OR at first. And as many of us old timers are aware, the same thing could be said about the original LEAF and Volt in 2010/11. It was a LONG wait for those LEAFs to finally arrive on the east coast.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get all the negativity from some folks, particularly on a pro-EV site like this. Even if you are a die-hard Nissan fan, does that mean you have to knock everything Tesla? No! You should be rooting for all EVs and particularly Tesla because they are driving the competition that hopefully will result in Nissan releasing a LEAF 2.0 (and hopefully other models) that will meet the needs of more and more drivers.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:44 am

jlv wrote:
scottf200 wrote:Title: Tesla Model 3 To Come With 48-Amp Onboard Charger

Of course, that's the exact same OBC that comes by default on the Model S 75. But the article's author seems to want to add some FUD, since he doesn't point that out and instead focuses that it's less than what comes on the Model S 100, which has the higher capacity dual charger by default.

I didn't read it as negatively as you did. That author seems to just like to crank out articles and some are nothing more than the source that he obtained the information from. He doesn't add any value / insight / organized tables or comparisons.

AFAIK, there are no longer 'dual chargers' it is a single 48a or 72a OBC. There used to be 40a or dual 40a for 80a ... again AFAIK.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:17 pm

Wonder if TSLA will reveal data from the “conditional fuel economy label” before or by tomorrow night?

And if so, will it be only for the optional-large-battery RWD versions it has said will be "delivered" tomorrow night, or show data for the entire model 3 range?

Tesla's Official Model 3 EPA Efficiency Data Will Be One Month Late

Tesla will launch its Model 3 on Friday, July 28th without official EPA energy efficiency data.


Like many aspects of Telsa's vehicle launches, the energy efficiency data is an afterthought to be handled when time permits, rather before the cars start to be sold to private owners.

No Official Window Sticker For Model 3

In the U.S., every car sold must have a Monroney sticker affixed to its side window by law. The is sticker has evolved over the years, but now contains primarily fuel economy information (in the largest font on the sticker), energy (or fuel) costs in the second largest font size, crash test data from NHTSA, manufacturing location and parts origin by percentage, and, of course, the individual vehicle's MSRP and standard and optional content in the smallest font. Tesla will be providing vehicles to consumers without official data...

We asked the folks at http://www.fueleconomy.gov if the information was available and discovered it was not. Our inquiry was timely. Just yesterday, July 26th, 2017, http://www.fueleconomy.gov received an e-mail from the EPA informing the group that the data would be a month late and that official sales of the Model 3 would start on July 28th (not what you may have otherwise heard reported). Instead of an official Monroney sticker, the EPA will allow Tesla to ship a limited number of vehicles (possibly less than 100 in total) with “conditional fuel economy label”. http://WWW.fueleconomy.gov explained to us that, "This provision in EPA regulations allows manufacturers to introduce a model based on manufacturer’s test data, while the test vehicle is being confirmatory tested at EPA." The group says that EPA won't be sending any information to http://www.fueleconomy.gov until the data is finalized, which is estimated to take another month...

https://www.torquenews.com/1083/teslas- ... month-late

And many others seem to be hoping for some relief tomorrow night from model 3 anxiety:

Tesla Buyers Antsy for Model 3 Keys Months After $1,000 Deposit

Blind Deposits

Tesla reported last spring that 373,000 people had placed deposits for the Model 3 and hasn’t given updated reservation figures since. Those who have put down deposits don’t know where they fall in the wait list or what month or year their new cars will be available. A Tesla spokesperson said more details will be released Friday and declined to comment further.

The lack of information received from Tesla “makes me 100 percent more nervous,” said Patrick Herrity, a 34-year-old business consultant in Virginia who made his Model 3 reservation online. He said he understands the company is being secretive to ward off competitors but hopes this week’s event will shed more light on his next ride...

Other early Model 3 enthusiasts have already backed out. Cathy Gilabert, a 35-year-old veterinarian in Nevada, signed up for the newest Tesla in April 2016 before canceling six months ago upon realizing she didn’t like the car’s dashboard layout or how low to the ground it was. Already a Model S owner, she has her eye on a Model X for its extra room.

David Ventimiglia said he canceled his reservation not because of the car but due to Musk. The 45-year-old software engineer in San Francisco said he was bothered by the CEO’s participation on two of Donald Trump’s advisory councils...

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