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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:41 pm

rcm4453 wrote:...See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? ...


EVs have a learning curve. Old news to those of us that have already made all the rookie mistakes, but as EVs are starting to show up on the radar of average buyers, this is all still news to them. Bolt Facebook page (actually, almost any EV Facebook page) is a daily lesson on the misconceptions held by new or potential owners. Putting these stories out helps educate the newly interested in what to expect, and an opportunity for experienced users to offer some useful sage advice on how to have a good experience.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:24 pm

KeiJidosha wrote:
rcm4453 wrote:...See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? ...


EVs have a learning curve. Old news to those of us that have already made all the rookie mistakes, but as EVs are starting to show up on the radar of average buyers, this is all still news to them. Bolt Facebook page (actually, almost any EV Facebook page) is a daily lesson on the misconceptions held by new or potential owners. Putting these stories out helps educate the newly interested in what to expect, and an opportunity for experienced users to offer some useful sage advice on how to have a good experience.



I understand the educational aspect for new people I just get tired of the articles that put BEVs in a negative light based solely on their inability to compete with ICE vehicles on road trips. Why focus so much on the 1-2% of a vehicles utility (road trips) when it excels in every other way 98-99% of the time?

I personally feel it's just a mindset thing, what do people really NEED vs. what they THINK they need. Because people are so used to having 400 miles of range all the time they think that's what they need every day. Same way of thinking comes into play with road trips, you don't need a vehicle that excels in that area when you rarely ever use it for that purpose. Better to have a vehicle that excels in 98-99% of it's required utility (BEV) vs an ICE vehicle which only excels in 1-2% of it's total utility. Is it really that big of a deal to rent a car for the 1 or 2 road trips you might take a year? I don't know, maybe I'm just too practical of a person, maybe the mainstream population just doesn't think that way.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:52 pm

rcm4453 wrote:I understand the educational aspect for new people I just get tired of the articles that put BEVs in a negative light based solely on their inability to compete with ICE vehicles on road trips. Why focus so much on the 1-2% of a vehicles utility (road trips) when it excels in every other way 98-99% of the time?

I personally feel it's just a mindset thing, what do people really NEED vs. what they THINK they need. Because people are so used to having 400 miles of range all the time they think that's what they need every day. Same way of thinking comes into play with road trips, you don't need a vehicle that excels in that area when you rarely ever use it for that purpose. Better to have a vehicle that excels in 98-99% of it's required utility (BEV) vs an ICE vehicle which only excels in 1-2% of it's total utility. Is it really that big of a deal to rent a car for the 1 or 2 road trips you might take a year? I don't know, maybe I'm just too practical of a person, maybe the mainstream population just doesn't think that way.


Agree with you on everything. But to our collective disappointment, many (most) car buying decisions are emotional, and so somewhat irrational. An $8k used Toyota Yaris would do for me essentially everything the Bolt will. But for subjective reasons, I bought the Bolt anyway. Irrational to others, but it makes me happy :)
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:05 pm

rcm4453 wrote:
GRA wrote:Some more real-world Bolt road trip data, via GCR:
Electric-car road trip: lessons learned in Chevy Bolt EV over 1,300 miles
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... 1300-miles

See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? Everyone knows that road trips are the achilles heel of battery electric cars. If you do a lot of road trips then a BEV isn't the right choice for you. All the great things about BEVs and so many articles want to focus on the one negative thing. That would be like reading articles about ICE vehicles and all they focus on is the fact that you have to get oil changes with them, or that you always have to go to the gas station.

I agree that they're somewhat redundant, but occasional ones do serve a purpose, by showing the effects of improved infrastructure (or where it's needed). However, in the specific case of a new vehicle, the data is useful even if the trip isn't a practical one.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:29 am

rcm4453 wrote:
GRA wrote:Some more real-world Bolt road trip data, via GCR:
Electric-car road trip: lessons learned in Chevy Bolt EV over 1,300 miles
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... 1300-miles



See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? Everyone knows that road trips are the ahilles heel of battery electric cars. If you do a lot of road trips then a BEV isn't the right choice for you. All the great things about BEVs and so many articles want to focus on the one negative thing. That would be like reading articles about ICE vehicles and all they focus on is the fact that you have to get oil changes with them, or that you always have to go to the gas station.


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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:40 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
rcm4453 wrote:
GRA wrote:Some more real-world Bolt road trip data, via GCR: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... 1300-miles



See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? Everyone knows that road trips are the ahilles heel of battery electric cars. If you do a lot of road trips then a BEV isn't the right choice for you. All the great things about BEVs and so many articles want to focus on the one negative thing. That would be like reading articles about ICE vehicles and all they focus on is the fact that you have to get oil changes with them, or that you always have to go to the gas station.


Well I guess you would likely consider me to be a medical miracle...


Please do explain....

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:01 pm

rcm4453 wrote:
KeiJidosha wrote:
rcm4453 wrote:...See I don't get why they even bother with articles focusing so much on road trips in BEVS? ...


EVs have a learning curve. Old news to those of us that have already made all the rookie mistakes, but as EVs are starting to show up on the radar of average buyers, this is all still news to them. Bolt Facebook page (actually, almost any EV Facebook page) is a daily lesson on the misconceptions held by new or potential owners. Putting these stories out helps educate the newly interested in what to expect, and an opportunity for experienced users to offer some useful sage advice on how to have a good experience.



I understand the educational aspect for new people I just get tired of the articles that put BEVs in a negative light based solely on their inability to compete with ICE vehicles on road trips. Why focus so much on the 1-2% of a vehicles utility (road trips) when it excels in every other way 98-99% of the time?

I personally feel it's just a mindset thing, what do people really NEED vs. what they THINK they need. Because people are so used to having 400 miles of range all the time they think that's what they need every day. Same way of thinking comes into play with road trips, you don't need a vehicle that excels in that area when you rarely ever use it for that purpose. Better to have a vehicle that excels in 98-99% of it's required utility (BEV) vs an ICE vehicle which only excels in 1-2% of it's total utility. Is it really that big of a deal to rent a car for the 1 or 2 road trips you might take a year? I don't know, maybe I'm just too practical of a person, maybe the mainstream population just doesn't think that way.



I don't need more than 240 miles range because of superchargers. Could even deal with 215 but it makes some super charger trips more pleasant. However I never have to rent a car or worry about driving anywhere. Now I don't need a second car and I can go anywhere I need to go in the US. with little effort, that is until all the Model 3 people sit and charge from 90 to 100 every day two blocks form their homes.

There is no way in hell I could do the trips I've done lately with DC "fast" charging.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:03 pm

GRA wrote:Some more real-world Bolt road trip data, via GCR:
Electric-car road trip: lessons learned in Chevy Bolt EV over 1,300 miles
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... 1300-miles
A very good road trip summary, though not necessarily Bolt-specific.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:07 am

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:31 am



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