GlennD
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1347
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:14 pm
Delivery Date: 20 Jul 2013
Leaf Number: 410357
Location: Anaheim

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:51 pm

I will likely pass. People I respect say it sits low. I traded in my eGolgf since it sat too low. I had a C300 loaner and it sat too low but it was free.. You can put up with a lot if it is free.

I wish Tesla suggest but I would s want a basic car with the only the paint color as an option. It is likely that car will never be produced/ Currently they are wanting to max the options.

!k is a big deal to some but it is worth it to gamble with TESLA. The 1K is painless since it was on my credit card. I usually pay it off and there is usually over 2K.
2012 Cayenne Red SL traded for:
2013 Pearl White SL Premium
Traded for a Cirrus White 2014 Mercedes B (totaled)
2016 Urano Gray eGolf SEL w/ drive assist
Loved the VW but it sat too low for my old body
Back to a Cirrus White 2017 B250e

User avatar
lpickup
Posts: 1139
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:14 pm
Delivery Date: 09 Dec 2011
Leaf Number: 16138
Location: Raleigh, NC
Contact: Website

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:28 am

cwerdna wrote:It wasn't until much later did their FAQ say
Additional configurations, including the Model 3 with standard equipment for $35,000, will become available as production ramps, which we expect to be in November 2017.

Well, we're way past that and there's still no standard range version available and nothing available for $35K.


To be fair, they said a lot of other things about where they would be in November of 2017 that simply have not come true even yet. This whole ramp is taking them a whole lot longer than they expected, and you have to put the blame on them for setting such an unachievable goal and then sharing it publicly. But that is not the same as saying that it will never happen. It will likely happen around the time they achieve their 5000 units/week milestone, whenever that is. Is that going to be too late for people? Most certainly some people will be caught out by that.

Personally when I put down my reservation, even though I waited in line on 3/31, putting me relatively towards the front of the line, I did not expect to receive ANY vehicle until very late 2018. This was based on Tesla's track record, and I'm sorry if I don't feel as much sympathy for people that took Elon's estimates of the ramp as gospel. I'm actually in the opposite situation. I DO want the long range model, but given my expectations, I leased a car until Feb 2019. I expect I will be in the next invite batch for the Model 3 and so I will either have to defer for no good reason, or change my plans around for which car I replace.
...Lance

Deep Blue Metallic 2018 Tesla Model 3 (31849) (delivered: 7/13/18)
Coulis Red 2016 SV (312310) (bought: 12/23/16 sold: 7/5/18)
Glacier Pearl 2012 SL (016138) (delivered: 12/9/11; traded in 12/23/16)
NOGA$4ME Blog

scottf200
Posts: 1788
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:21 pm
Delivery Date: 26 Feb 2011
Location: In my Volt VIN 01234 <actual>
Contact: Website

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:37 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
scottf200 wrote:https://cs.stanford.edu/people/karpathy/
Bio. I am the Director of AI at Tesla, currently focused on perception for the Autopilot. Previously, I was a Research Scientist at OpenAI working on Deep Learning in Computer Vision, Generative Modeling and Reinforcement Learning. I received my PhD from Stanford, where I worked with Fei-Fei Li on Convolutional/Recurrent Neural Network architectures and their applications in Computer Vision, Natural Language Processing and their intersection. Over the course of my PhD I squeezed in two internships at Google where I worked on large-scale feature learning over YouTube videos, and in 2015 I interned at DeepMind and worked on Deep Reinforcement Learning. Together with Fei-Fei, I designed and taught a new Stanford class on Convolutional Neural Networks for Visual Recognition (CS231n). The class was the first Deep Learning course offering at Stanford and has grown from 150 enrolled in 2015 to 330 students in 2016, and 750 students in 2017.

<snip>
Here is the vid. It is exciting to know we're on the cusp of this.

I just drove my AP2 X over 400 miles this weekend after having 25K AP1 miles on my previous X.

WOW, this new release is very impressive, slowing on curves, staying smoothly in the center of lanes at various speeds, driving through some towns. It is a big difference in 'feeling' a different confidence level ... and I thought my 25K AP1 miles were pretty good.
100K EV miles and 80% EV usage
Volt = 53+ mile BEV up to 100 MPH, then 40 MPG hybrid with a 9 gal gas tank
'17 Tesla Model X 100D 'used'| RIP '16 P90DL Sig | 2011 Volt kid2 | 2016 for wife | 2012 kid1

GRA
Posts: 9109
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:49 pm
Location: East side of San Francisco Bay

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:49 pm

Via IEVS:
BMW M3 OWNER TEST DRIVES / REVIEWS TESLA MODEL 3
https://insideevs.com/bmw-m3-owner-test-drives-reviews-tesla-model-3/

. . . CB claims to be disliked on Tesla forums since he’s critical. His current and previous car ownership includes the F80 M3, F30 335i, and E92 333i. He also shares that he’s had an opportunity to drive nearly every car in the segment, with specific mention of the BMW 3 Series, C AMG45, Audi S4, Audi S5, and new Alfa Romeo Giulia.

So, what does CB have to share? He begins:

“Well, today I was able to borrow this baby and spent a day driving it on mountain roads, within San Francisco, and cruise it down 101. Here are my impressions. I’m going to score individual categories relative to other competitors in this class, so I won’t be rating the Model 3’s cost against a Civic, its luxury against an S class, or its handling against a 911.”

CB provides a fair amount of text related to each of his chosen categories, but let’s start with a breakdown of his scores:

    Drivetrain (9/10)
    Steering (8/10)
    Suspension/Chassis (9.5/10)
    Interior Quality/Fit and Finish (5/10)
    Technology/User Interface (Exclude Auto Pilot) (2/10)
    Auto Pilot (10/10)

Despite the terrible tech score and marginal interior quality score, CB is impressed with the car overall. In fact, he may even buy one! Below are some key takeaways from his experience:

    Instant torque makes the Model 3 a “star around town.” It beats all competitors in this aspect. However, at speeds over 55 mph, it’s not quite as impressive.

    Steering is well-weighted and provides great feedback. Weight gets heavier as turn-in increases, but it’s not as predictable as he’d hoped, which causes a lack of confidence when pushing the car hard.

    Suspension puts the Model 3 among the “cream of the top in this already sporty segment.” The Tesla’s extreme balance reminds CB of BMW’s best days.

    Steering wheel is ugly, though cabin materials are decent. The minimalist design is subjective, and build quality is very solid, but the interior quality can’t stand up to class leaders.

    $5,000 for Premium Upgrades is “outrageous.”

    The car is “very bare bone” in terms of tech features.

    User interface is high res and responsive, but still “a complete mess” for usability. CB thanked Elon Musk for Autopilot, which helps with the lack of a decent interface experience.

It seems CB is truly enamored with the Model 3’s Autopilot system. He shares:

“The best driver assist in this segment, bar none, end of story. Is it perfect? Not even close. Is it the best money currently can buy? By far. . . .”
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6456
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:32 pm

The interior does suck for what it is "supposed to be" and they did that intentionally. My guess is his tech rating would be higher if he had more time and I'm surprised about the AP rating. Handling is quite good.

Zythryn
Posts: 1045
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:49 am

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:12 am

EVDRIVER wrote:The interior does suck for what it is "supposed to be" and they did that intentionally. My guess is his tech rating would be higher if he had more time and I'm surprised about the AP rating. Handling is quite good.


Interesting, but subjective, based on a relatively short experience.
Some things are easy to get a feel for, others take longer.

As for AP, I wonder if he was in a car that had the 10.4 update? Supposedly it really improved AP.
Previous owner of Prius, Volt, Leaf & Model S
Current owner of Model 3
http://www.netzeromn.com

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6456
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:00 am

Yes subjective, clearly biased by personal dirt impressions. I would give AP a 9 out if 10, interior a 6.5, “tech” a contingent 9 and the UI a 7.5 knowing that will soon be a 8 -9. Handling is top of the class and the awd version should prove to be unbelievable. I think the steering was underrated based on the fact it is EPS. Th ratio is fast and better than the s, replacing the factory tires alone will make a huge driving improvement.

Now the bad news, the car has defective drive systems, dying 12v batteries, and the entire model is based in bait and switch. So everyone should cancel now why they still can.

WetEV
Posts: 2258
Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 8:25 am
Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2014
Location: Near Seattle, WA

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:43 am

EVDRIVER wrote:Now the bad news, the car has defective drive systems, dying 12v batteries, and the entire model is based in bait and switch. So everyone should cancel now why they still can.


Trying to move up the queue, eh? :lol:
WetEV
#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
2012 Leaf SL Red (Totaled)
2014 Leaf SL Red

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6456
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:37 am

I can order now but shortening the line is never bad;)

GRA
Posts: 9109
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:49 pm
Location: East side of San Francisco Bay

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:38 pm

Via GCR:
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range: first drive review of 310-mile electric car
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115585_2018-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review-of-less-costly-electric-car

I like this first line from the article, which I think accurately sums up what will be the different attitudes towards the two cars: “The Tesla Model S was a moment. The Model 3 is a product.”

. . . Our drive reassured us. The Model 3 is an eminently competent electric car that should make owners happy. If the company can fix what appear to be major quality problems, that is.

But times have changed, and the Model 3 does not emerge into a vacuum as the Tesla Model S did in July 2012.

That car was a revelation, a bolt of lightning from the sky. It was a car no one had conceived or built before. It was the rolling, driving demonstration of a future then widely dismissed by the global auto industry as impractical or impossible.

Soon it was paired with the first real high-speed charging network that gave electric cars the ability to make coast-to-coast drives in the U.S., and then other regions around the world. The shock waves from 2012 still reverberate.

Six years later, the Tesla Model 3 delivers fewer firsts. . . .

I fully expect that either the Model S or the 2nd gen Prius will ultimately be judged to be the most significant car of the first half of the 21st century, although the first car to get reliable L4 Autonomy and be available to the public may get in there.

Via IEVS:
TESLA PUSHES BACK AWD, LONG-RANGE MODEL 3 TO LATE 2018
https://insideevs.com/tesla-pushes-back-awd-long-range-model-3-late-2018/

. . . Others report that availability of the short-range, dual-motor Model 3 has been bumped back too. . . Rumors suggest that other lesser versions of the Model 3, like the standard battery with rear-wheel-drive, may get bumped back too, though we aren’t seeing this in the estimator or configurator tools as of right now.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

Return to “Other Electric Cars & Plug-In Hybrids”