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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:08 pm

I drive precisely 60 miles each workday....30 miles each way. It is very rare for me to need my car otherwise during the day and it is equally rare that I have to do trips beyond 100 miles, perhaps 2 or 3 times a year. In addition to the Leaf, we will keep an ICE car for my stay-home wife, which will cover us for any longer trips.

The Leaf is an ideal car for me, and I have waited almost 10 years for an affordable, mass-market, EV with enough range to commute at freeway speeds, without range anxiety or having to recharge at the office (although this has always been, and remains, an available option).
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:46 pm

Let me ask you all a question: what do you do when you need more cargo space than your current sedan has?

Most people need more cargo space than that several times per year, just like most people need more range than this several times per year. What do you do?

Well, most people either borrow a big vehicle or rent one. Or have a bigger second vehicle, but commute in the smaller, more efficient one.

The same logic applies to range. You accept the disadvantage of your vehicle not working out several times per year (just like sedan owners do with cargo capacity) to gain more efficiency and lower operating costs. And in the case of EVs, you get the extra benefits of getting off oil and the extreme convenience of starting out every day with a full charge.

Plus, the Leaf can do 30-minute rapid charges, so it's not as range-limited as a lot of EVs in areas with such a charger.

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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:22 pm

ilovecars wrote:With all of the hype of the electric vehicles coming on to the market in the next few years, it brings up some concerns... for example, if you need to travel further than 100 miles, what do you do? That's a huge advantage I see the Vol has over the Leaf. If you need to travel farther than that, you get stranded with your Nissan, but a Volt could keep on trucking, switching to fuel when the batteries run out.


Ofcource you use the other car.

There are 60 million households in the US with multiple cars. All cars in a family except one can be replaced with a BEV. The ICE car can be replaced with a Volt, later.

In any case, if you think the current situation can contine indefinitely and people don't have to make any life style changes, I suggest you educate yourself about Peak Oil.
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:04 pm

Range Extender Option:
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But seriously. The battery packs are exactly like harddrives were to computers years ago. When they first came out, I paid $2,000 for a HUGE (at the time) harddrive of 668 megs. MEGS! Now a 1T drive is under $100. EV's will go through the same growing pains. But as they catch on, the single biggest area for necessary improvement will be the power source. Eventually, we'll see larger, lighter, and (eventually) cheaper batteries that will give hundreds of miles. Trust me. 8-)
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:14 pm

Of course, hard drives increase in capacity about 60% per year, while batteries increase at about 8% per year. But still, two decades at 8% is 4.5x.

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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:02 pm

Jimmydreams wrote:Range Extender Option:
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But seriously. The battery packs are exactly like harddrives were to computers years ago. When they first came out, I paid $2,000 for a HUGE (at the time) harddrive of 668 megs. MEGS! Now a 1T drive is under $100. EV's will go through the same growing pains. But as they catch on, the single biggest area for necessary improvement will be the power source. Eventually, we'll see larger, lighter, and (eventually) cheaper batteries that will give hundreds of miles. Trust me. 8-)


Continuous improvement... if it doesn't happen, THAT will be a first. Especially if there's money in it.

Is it coincidence that IBM Almaden research center that invented the disk drive is now working on a 500 mile EV battery?
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:36 pm

I need a commuter car. I travel 32.5 miles each way daily and have a hybrid vehicle for longer trips the two or three times a year I need It. I think the Leaf will be just about right for me. Jim
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:13 pm

javan wrote:I need a commuter car. I travel 32.5 miles each way daily and have a hybrid vehicle for longer trips the two or three times a year I need It. I think the Leaf will be just about right for me. Jim


I am in almost the same situation -- my commute is 27 miles each way. I occasionally put an additional 10 to 15 miles on with lunch or errands. Even without charging at work (which may be an option, at 110 if nothing else...), I think the Leaf will work for me. And my wife's car has an ICE for longer family trips -- or we could swap cars for a day if I have a longer work-related trip. And, voila!, we've eliminated the biggest chunk of our family's carbon footprint. I am sure I will miss my Mini but maybe there will be a better looking, reasonably priced EV when the Leaf's lease is up.

However, if the Leaf takes a 20 - 30% range hit in winter, then the @ work charging will be vital.
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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:25 pm

Ask your boss. You'll find that most employers are amenable.

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Re: Who travels less than 100 miles?

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:12 pm

Many, many families in the U.S. have two income earners and almost always they don't work in the same area; if you're lucky that you can have a single car that's great but one of you tends to be closer and the other farther away, typically in the opposite direction! --- in our case we do have multiple cars. One of us commutes 7 miles daily (with a smart fortwo coupe) and the other 28 miles daily (with either a Miata or Mazda3 GT 5-door); we also own a VW Routan for long trips (most comfortable of the group and we use it for hauling stuff quite a bit). I can tell you that the smart wasn't made for long trips, even though of course it's gas powered and has 'unlimited' range versus an electric so as others have said, until quick charge stations are as available as gas stations you'll be limited so you need to consider it. Each situation will be different so while 100 mile limit may seem a problem to some, others will have more than enough range to make the LEAF a great choice (BTW, the LEAF will replace the smart).
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