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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:13 am

Valdemar wrote:
The current e-Golf is 190 kilometers [118 miles] of range on paper and about 120 kilometers [75 miles] in the real world," Volkswagen Group small car development leader Dr. Jocham Böhle explained. "The Golf VIII e-Golf will have 300 kilometers [186 miles] of real-world range – genuinely 300 kilometers – and the current plug-in hybrid has 50 kilometers [31 miles] of electric range and we don't need more than that ... The electrified Golfs will all have 48-volt power. They might not be there right at the start of Golf VIII, but they will be close behind ... That system will go through all the MQB cars, with 48 volts. All hybrids and battery electric MQBs will go to 48 volts.


http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volk ... formation/



There seems to be some conflict in what they are calling "real world" range.

The eGolf has an EPA range of 83 miles. So that's clearly greater than their quoted 75 miles, implying that the 186 miles may mean closer to the magic 200 EPA miles (83/75 * 186 = 206 miles!)

The Audi eTron has an EPA electric range of 16 miles. It basically has the same powertrain as the european GTE. This is far less than the stated 31 miles, implying that the 186 miles may be overly generous. Unless the 31 miles was not intended to mean "real world" miles?

Anyway, 186 miles will be a huge improvement. If they can bring this to market not too long after the Bolt / Leaf 2.0, they will be able to stay in the game. On the other hand, I've heard rumors of VW pulling out of the US market completely thanks to the diesel scandal. It seems like it will be all or nothing for them.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:51 pm

I hope they don't pull out of the US. I really liked the eGolf when I test drove it. If it had been available when I got my 2013 Leaf, I'd probably have gone with that. The eGolf is one of a handful that I plan to seriously consider when it is time for my next purchase, assuming they do come out with one by then that has adequate range for my commute. EPA range of 125+ should do the trick.

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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:33 am

DarthPuppy wrote:I hope they don't pull out of the US. I really liked the eGolf when I test drove it. If it had been available when I got my 2013 Leaf, I'd probably have gone with that. The eGolf is one of a handful that I plan to seriously consider when it is time for my next purchase, assuming they do come out with one by then that has adequate range for my commute. EPA range of 125+ should do the trick.


I agree 100%. I liked everything about the eGolf better than the Leaf, except that it arrived too late for me (I got my Leaf in 2012).

I'm looking for my next EV to be able to make the trip to see my family. It's about a 250 mile trip (each way), but there are currently some CCS/CHAdeMO chargers along the route about 175 miles from me. 186 miles would be tight but possible. 200+ miles would be much easier. And 250+ miles in one shot would seal the deal. I'm keeping my eye on VW, although it's not sounding good for this decade. Maybe once the MEB platform makes it into production vehicles, we'll see something. Then it's only a matter of affordability.

Of course, there are also superchargers at miles 50, 125, and 200 along the route. So making the trip in any Tesla would be a breeze.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Mon May 09, 2016 5:14 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
DarthPuppy wrote:I hope they don't pull out of the US. I really liked the eGolf when I test drove it. If it had been available when I got my 2013 Leaf, I'd probably have gone with that. The eGolf is one of a handful that I plan to seriously consider when it is time for my next purchase, assuming they do come out with one by then that has adequate range for my commute. EPA range of 125+ should do the trick.


I agree 100%. I liked everything about the eGolf better than the Leaf, except that it arrived too late for me (I got my Leaf in 2012).

I'm looking for my next EV to be able to make the trip to see my family. It's about a 250 mile trip (each way), but there are currently some CCS/CHAdeMO chargers along the route about 175 miles from me. 186 miles would be tight but possible. 200+ miles would be much easier. And 250+ miles in one shot would seal the deal. I'm keeping my eye on VW, although it's not sounding good for this decade. Maybe once the MEB platform makes it into production vehicles, we'll see something. Then it's only a matter of affordability.

Of course, there are also superchargers at miles 50, 125, and 200 along the route. So making the trip in any Tesla would be a breeze.


http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/longer-range-vw-evs-are-just-around-corner#ixzz489vmiKXK


Real world would be more like 125 to 140 miles so still quite a bit short for your scenario ... as always YMMV, so just like the first gen Volt you might get more than these estimates but any high speed driving, etc. quite doubtful. In our family, we have a last gen Golf R (2012) and have owned other VW's going back several years so if even if the first gen eGolf was available in late '11 it would also have been a top contender but as we all know, in the Midwest the LEAF was the first viable EV to get here by a long stretch. IL is NOT a part of the zero emissions states either so we pretty much never see these 'compliance' cars other than via the used market and then of course NO dealer support; that might change for VW in light of the 'dieselgate' scandal but these things take time ...
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 9:42 am

The 2017 VW e-Golf will have a 35.8kWh battery that fits in the same space, and the range is reported to be ~124 miles. That is about a 48% improvement.

http://insideevs.com/2017-volkswagen-e-golf-35-8-kwh-battery-124-miles200km-real-world-range/

This will make it a lot better for many people, I think.

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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 10:01 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:The 2017 VW e-Golf will have a 35.8kWh battery that fits in the same space, and the range is reported to be ~124 miles. That is about a 48% improvement.

http://insideevs.com/2017-volkswagen-e-golf-35-8-kwh-battery-124-miles200km-real-world-range/

This will make it a lot better for many people, I think.


So they leapfrogged the Leaf's 30kWh battery. Maybe. Or maybe the 60kWh Leaf will be on sale in 2017. Either way, this is due out the same time as the Bolt, with ~62% of the range. I suspect it will sell well in Europe (where the Bolt won't be available in 2017), but it's likely a non-starter in the US.

ISTM that VW, like many others, is buying time. They are fitting their current design with the latest batteries, and seeing what kind of range they can get. I think they all know that the end game is a ground-up EV design. VW has the upcoming MEB platform which is rumored to be the underpinnings of the next-gen eGolf.

Don't get me wrong - I welcome the improvement. Frankly, if CCS QCs were as plentiful as gas stations, I'd be OK with 124 mile range. I don't mind stopping for 20 minutes every 100 miles. With two young kids, I have to anyway! But for now, with the near complete lack of CCS (or CHAdeMO for that matter) around me, range is king.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 10:04 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:The 2017 VW e-Golf will have a 35.8kWh battery that fits in the same space, and the range is reported to be ~124 miles. That is about a 48% improvement.

http://insideevs.com/2017-volkswagen-e-golf-35-8-kwh-battery-124-miles200km-real-world-range/

This will make it a lot better for many people, I think.


BTW, I'm confused as to whether this is the "186 mile" eGolf we heard about recently. It was supposed to be 186 "real world" miles, compared to "75 miles" of the current eGolf, which gets 83 EPA. It's all very confusing and the language / cultural (e.g. driving conditions of the "real world") barriers only make it worse.

I am assuming that VW is using this step as a stop-gap until they can get a second-gen eGolf based on the MEB platform which has a much longer range. But that's mostly conjecture on my part.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 11:20 am

I'd consider the eGolf as my next car with that size pack, but only if they gave it a steering wheel heater. Little things matter too.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 4:55 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:I suspect it will sell well in Europe (where the Bolt won't be available in 2017), but it's likely a non-starter in the US.


Keep in mind that until the Bolt comes out and is actually tested by the EPA, our own Tony Williams, etc. we don't know if it's going to be the "200 mile" car that GM claims it will. Nissan initially claimed the Leaf was a "100 mile" car (and in some areas still claims it has 160 km range which is the same) and I don't consider GM to be any more credible.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Tue May 24, 2016 5:35 pm

RonDawg wrote: Keep in mind that until the Bolt comes out and is actually tested by the EPA, our own Tony Williams, etc. we don't know if it's going to be the "200 mile" car that GM claims it will. Nissan initially claimed the Leaf was a "100 mile" car (and in some areas still claims it has 160 km range which is the same) and I don't consider GM to be any more credible.

They've certainly been a lot more credible with their claims re the Volt.
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