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Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:52 pm

With the first production Tucson FCEVs in the U.S. having been off loaded from the ship on May 20th and the first leases expected shortly, it's time to start a thread, so here it is.

Here's the link to Hyundai USA's Tucson FCEV link:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:01 pm

I hope it doesn't actually come with those hideous graphics!
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:13 pm

24 kwh battery? Can that be charged from a plug without using the fuel cell?
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:04 pm

GRA wrote:With the first production Tucson FCEVs in the U.S. having been off loaded from the ship on May 20th and the first leases expected shortly, it's time to start a thread, so here it is. As a placeholder, here's a link to the brochure for the Scandinavian version:

http://www.scandinavianhydrogen.org/sit ... evised.pdf
Here is something I wrote in the other thread:
RegGuheert wrote:What I object to is the idea that hydrogen is somehow the "end game". I believe this is the message being pushed by some in the oil industry since they believe that they have a chance to at least partially control the hydrogen market while they have little they can do with BEVs except lose market share to them. However, for most applications I believe BEVs are the "end game" and hydrogen is now simply a distraction from the steady roll-out that is now occurring.
As is clear from the brochure GRA provided, Hyundai is pushing this ill-founded idea:
Hyundai ix35 FCEV Brochure, page 3 wrote:Internal Combustion->Hybrid->Electric Vehicle->Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle
LTLFTcomposite wrote:24 kwh battery? Can that be charged from a plug without using the fuel cell?
If you put a plug on it and a larger battery that would make fueling more convenient (and less expensive in the future when hydrogen is no longer included in the lease) for the consumer and nearly impossible for the large corporations to control the hydrogen economy. The lack of a plug on an electric vehicle should give a better idea about the motivations behind the companies pushing FCEVs.

At 24kW (plus whatever the fuel cell puts out), that thing should be quite a dog compared with most BEVs.

Edit: Corrected based on Stoaty's proper read of the datasheet.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:02 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:24 kwh battery? Can that be charged from a plug without using the fuel cell?

Actually, it is a 24 kw battery (maximum power) that stores 0.95 kwh of energy:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:25 pm

RegGuheert wrote:If you put a plug on it that would make it more convenient (and less expensive in the future when hydrogen is no longer included in the lease) for the consumer and nearly impossible for the large corporations to control the hydrogen economy. The lack of a plug on a vehicle with that large of a battery should give *nearly* :roll: everyone a better idea about the motivations behind the companies pushing FCEVs. What's another $3K to add an on-board charger compared to what the car already costs to make?


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Is it possible to purchase the Tucson Fuel Cell?

No, at this time the vehicle is only available for lease. In addition, there is no purchase option at the end of the lease.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:29 pm

smkettner wrote:(FAQ)
3.

Is it possible to purchase the Tucson Fuel Cell?

No, at this time the vehicle is only available for lease. In addition, there is no purchase option at the end of the lease.

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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:40 am

Stoaty wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:24 kwh battery? Can that be charged from a plug without using the fuel cell?

Actually, it is a 24 kw battery (maximum power) that stores 0.95 kwh of energy:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/

That makes more sense, thanks. I need to stop reading so much on my phone :D

You don't often see batteries quoted in terms of instantaneous output instead of capacity. Maybe the number 24 is a coincidence or maybe I fell into a little trap they wouldn't mind having a few more fall into.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:33 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:You don't often see batteries quoted in terms of instantaneous output instead of capacity. Maybe the number 24 is a coincidence or maybe I fell into a little trap they wouldn't mind having a few more fall into.

Typically only see kW / power ratings for hybrids and fuel cell vehicles.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:27 pm

Interestingly, it also says that it is a 60AH battery... If you do the math, that places it at around 15 volts... So, it is about the same capacity as the lead acid battery in a small conventional vehicle...

drees wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:You don't often see batteries quoted in terms of instantaneous output instead of capacity. Maybe the number 24 is a coincidence or maybe I fell into a little trap they wouldn't mind having a few more fall into.
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