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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:20 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:I wasn't necessarily referring to natural gas for electricity production, but instead as the base material for hydrogen. As you know, hydrogen doesn't just float around us; we have to extract it from something, and it takes two things to make the happen

1) the base material that contains H2
2) the significant energy required to split the H2 from its base material, compress it and cool it

There are four main sources for the commercial production of hydrogen: natural gas, oil, coal, and electrolysis; which account for 48%, 30% 18% and 4% of the world’s hydrogen production respectively (from Wikipedia).

Sure, but as the price of variable renewables continues to drop, and there is an increasing amount of it in Canada which would otherwise have to be curtailed (i.e. wasted) when it's in excess, the ability to use those sources of power for electrolysis will only increase, just as is happening in Denmark and Norway. It's also good for car charging, but H2 should allow longer-term storage at a lower price. It'll be interesting to see if Canada opts to inject into NG pipelines for transport ala' Germany, assuming they choose to go for H2 in a big way.

Current (12/15) Canadian installed wind energy capacity:

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and here's a map of wind resources:

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Canada currently ranks 7th for installed wind capacity, and about 5% of their electricity demand is supplied by wind.

Solar resources ditto:

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Installed solar:

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So, two to four orders of magnitude difference between installed wind and solar.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:46 pm

Via GCR:
Next Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell to have 30 percent more range
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... more-range

. . . This new Hyundai fuel-cell model will arrive within two years, and will have 30 percent more range than the current Tucson Fuel Cell, according to a recent Nikkei report. The Tucson Fuel Cell has an EPA-rated range of 265 miles, putting it well behind the 366 miles of the Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, and 312 miles of the Toyota Mirai.

The next-generation model will arrive in January 2018, supposedly priced at around $50,000. A 2018 launch date was mentioned by Hyundai eco-vehicle development director Ahn Byung-ki, who said it would coincide with the Winter Olympic Games in Hyundai's home country of South Korea. The Pyeonchang Games will give Hyundai a chance to show off its fuel-cell technology, he noted. . . .

Definitely could use 300+ miles of highway range. 265 x 1.3 = 344.5.
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Re: Official Hyundai Tucson FCEV thread

Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:18 pm

Via GCC:
Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell drivers log more than 2 million miles
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/04 ... dai-1.html

Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell drivers have accumlulated more than two million miles on the roads and highways of both Southern and Northern California. These fuel cell CUVs have replaced approximately 760 tons of CO2 emissions that would have been emitted by vehicles of similar size and capability. Hyundai has delivered more than 140 Tucson Fuel Cell crossovers since its introduction as the first mass-produced fuel cell in the US market in 2014. . . .

They really need to get the next gen with 300+ miles of range out, and then advertise it.
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