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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:59 pm

Per IEVS, Toyota sold/leased 269 Mirais in the U.S. in December, for a total of 1,835 for the year. This total doesn't agree with last month's, as at that time IEVS claimed 1,542 YTD, + 269 = 1,811. Perhaps they updated the old number.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:43 pm

Via GCC:
Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle to go on sale this year in Canada starting in Québec
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/01/20180118-mirai.html

. . . As Toyota kicked off its participation in the Montréal International Auto Show, the company confirmed it would launch starting with select fleets in Québec.

Hydro Québec is the world’s fourth-largest producer of clean hydro-electricity; the hydrogen used to drive Mirai will be produced from clean sources too. Toyota Canada has been working closely with partners in Québec over the past year—in particular, the Ministries of Energy, Environment, and Transportation—to ensure the introduction of an appropriate fueling infrastructure in the province. . . .

Per a comment, this apparently starts with 50 cars used in commercial/industrial fleets around Quebec City for a cold weather test, then expanding to the public and the rest of the Province later.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:30 pm

Via GCC:
Toyota surpasses 3,000 Mirai hydrogen fuel cell vehicle sales in California
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/01/20180123-mirai.html

. . . Thirty-one retail hydrogen stations are now open for business in California, with an additional twelve stations projected to open in California in 2018.

Toyota continues to partner with FirstElement Fuels and Shell to support the creation of a broad network of hydrogen infrastructure in California. Toyota is also collaborating with Air Liquide, a producer of industrial gases, to set up a network of 12 hydrogen fueling stations stretching from New York to Boston, with the first station expected to launch in Boston later this year.

In addition, Toyota is building a new Tri-Gen facility at the Port of Long Beach that will use bio-waste sourced from California’s agricultural industry to generate water, electricity and hydrogen. The hydrogen will fuel all Toyota fuel cell vehicles moving through the Port, including new deliveries of the Mirai sedan and Toyota’s Heavy Duty hydrogen fuel cell class 8 truck, known as Project Portal. . . .

The last paragraph has its own topic.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:40 am

Saw my 12th Mirai, since its intro, in a Torrance parking lot near the old Toyota corporate headquarters, which had a Bolt
(seen about 50 so far) parked next to it. That Shell H2 facility on 190th near the old Toyota facility probably would have more
utility if converted to a homeless shelter for the South Bay.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:07 am

From InsideEVs: Toyota Alone In Bed With Hydrogen As EVs Take Control

A few quotes:
InsideEVs wrote:The Japanese automaker spent tons of cash and time (since the early 1990s) on the research and development of FCVs. Today, it must continue to decide whether to invest even more in both the infrastructure roll-out and vehicle development.

Performance of hydrogen-powered vehicles is less than desirable, while prices are extremely expensive. Added to this, there is no refueling infrastructure for mass-adoption.

Toyota has yet to have any notable sales success related to the technology. The automaker delivered just ~4,500 Mirai since late 2014. U.S. sales of the Mirai have just exceeded 3,000.
InsideEVs wrote:Toyota’s goal to achieve sales of 30,000 FCVs annually by 2020 is highly doubtful (BEV targets for single models already exceed 100,000+).
InsideEVs wrote:Plug-in cars — battery-electric in particular — are easier to introduce both on side of car manufacturer (though some are faring better than others), as well as in terms of available infrastructure, which is growing rapidly. Meanwhile, there are only 91 hydrogen stations in Japan and around 30 in California. Studies show that consumers are also beginning to show much more interest in plug-in vehicles, and the numbers don’t lie.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:37 am

Road and Track called it the ugliest car ever and I agree.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:29 pm

GlennD wrote:Road and Track called it the ugliest car ever and I agree.
Umm.. This IS still the same universe that spawned the AMC Pacer, Citroen DSes, and Karmann Ghias, isn't it?

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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:55 am

Levenkay wrote:
GlennD wrote:Road and Track called it the ugliest car ever and I agree.
Umm.. This IS still the same universe that spawned the AMC Pacer, Citroen DSes, and Karmann Ghias, isn't it?


I liked my 59 karman ghia, Compared to a regular VW it was tons better. It was 6V and my 2 way radio turned the headlights orange when I keyed up.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:49 am

GlennD wrote:[ liked my 59 karman ghia, Compared to a regular VW it was tons better. It was 6V and my 2 way radio turned the headlights orange when I keyed up.
But the topic was aesthetics, not function. I always felt ghias look like VW beetles that got left out in the sun to melt.

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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:11 am

Levenkay wrote:
GlennD wrote:[ liked my 59 karman ghia, Compared to a regular VW it was tons better. It was 6V and my 2 way radio turned the headlights orange when I keyed up.
But the topic was aesthetics, not function. I always felt ghias look like VW beetles that got left out in the sun to melt.
I am offering this link to move the discussion very slightly less OT than it already is:

1971 Karmann Ghia electric car conversion

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Here's a kit for someone who wants to do it yourself: Karmann Ghia EV Conversion Kit, AC Motor, Regen Braking, 1955-1974
(Of course you could purchase a used LEAF for less money than that kit.)

Sorry, GRA, I couldn't find an H2 FCV conversion kit for a Karmann Ghia. ;)
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