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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:24 pm

While some of the comments hit some good facts, truth be told that the avg consumer will go after ANYTHING if it has the word "FREE" in it. In this case my neighbor had visions of grandeur with all that FREE FUEL but the thing is it comes with a price! :lol:

That price is limited availability, range, hassle to refuel (only 1 station in the so called local area) and not being able to take that car on long trips ,etc,etc. Put that Mirai up against USED Model S with unlimited SpC'ing and see how things stack up. :roll:

Hopefully, H2 dies out soon.. total joke..
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue May 01, 2018 8:07 am

JasonA wrote:While some of the comments hit some good facts, truth be told that the avg consumer will go after ANYTHING if it has the word "FREE" in it. In this case my neighbor had visions of grandeur with all that FREE FUEL but the thing is it comes with a price! :lol:

That price is limited availability, range, hassle to refuel (only 1 station in the so called local area) and not being able to take that car on long trips ,etc,etc. Put that Mirai up against USED Model S with unlimited SpC'ing and see how things stack up. :roll:

Hopefully, H2 dies out soon.. total joke..


Hydrogen isn’t going to die for light duty vehicles when:

1) Toyota has spent billions “proving” how awesome it is
2) Japan and California, as well as Europe, heavily promote and favor hydrogen
3) the H2 car car get “super credit” over a battery electric car, to wit:

California Air Resources Board (CARB) - Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV):

a. ZEV credits - 9 for hydrogen -(2015-2017 Model year’s only) vs- 1 to 4 credit for EV. This hydrogen benefit has been changed for model years 2018 and beyond to align with EVs.

b. $5000 California rebate for each hydrogen car sold -vs- $1500 or $2500 for hybrids and EVs

c. Exemption from "traveling provision" for hydrogen -vs- EVs must be sold in all 10 ZEV states starting MY2018. That means that a hydrogen car need only be sold in Cailoforna to qualify for CARB-ZEV credit in every CARB-ZEV state.

d. $20 million spent per year by the state of California, every year, for hydrogen infrastructure -vs- no guaranteed funding for EV infrastructure


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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue May 01, 2018 9:15 am

Toyota delivered 76 Mirai for April of 2018.

http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.c ... t.download
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue May 01, 2018 5:25 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:Toyota delivered 76 Mirai for April of 2018.

http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.c ... t.download

Thanks for that. I see they're 121 ahead of last year's YTD total (538 vs. 417), but off 30 from April 2017 (106). We'll have to see if that represents a shift of sales to the Clarity FCEV.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Wed May 02, 2018 3:59 am

mtndrew1 wrote:Toyota delivered 76 Mirai for April of 2018.

http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.c ... t.download
2018 Toyota Mirai sales:

January: 213
February: 166
March: 83
April: 76

Gotta love that trend!

As BEV and PHEV sales take off in 2018, I think the downward pressure on H2 FCVs will be quite strong.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Wed May 02, 2018 8:48 pm

If I had to speculate... sales to employees and the government have become saturated.
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue May 15, 2018 3:03 pm

smkettner wrote:If I had to speculate
If I had to speculate.... it's probably because people are waking up to the reality of not wanting to drive around with 10k psi H2, lack of fueling, etc,etc,etc,etc,...

Down goes the H2 hype machine (just like we predicted years ago).... damn I love our EVs!!! (Rav, ModelS and ModelX!!)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Been thinking about picking up a new Leaf just for fun... but ya know... It's not HYDROGEN! :fawk:
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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Tue May 15, 2018 3:55 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
mtndrew1 wrote:Toyota delivered 76 Mirai for April of 2018.

http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.c ... t.download
2018 Toyota Mirai sales:

January: 213
February: 166
March: 83
April: 76

Gotta love that trend!

As BEV and PHEV sales take off in 2018, I think the downward pressure on H2 FCVs will be quite strong.

OTOH, the Clarity FCEV had:

Jan: (missing, possibly sales hadn't yet resumed after the software update stoppage)
Feb: 243
Mar: 121
Apr: 156

So it's possible we're seeing cannibalization of Mirai sales by the Clarity FCEV, which is generally a better deal if you have a longer commute (or need a fifth seat). As both cars are weirdmobiles and the market has shifted towards CUVs, I expect the upcoming Hyundai Nexo may well outsell both of them, although it will only arrive in Q4 so probably not for the year. IMO it's a nice looking CUV, and hopefully Hyundai can get the MSRP down to $50k or less.
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