GRA wrote:Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:GRA wrote:Directly related to the above: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119457_report-battery-production-could-offset-emissions-gains-from-electric-cars
Careful what you cite. They're not all worth the ink they've been written with. That Bloomberg New Energy Finance report is beyond F**d up!
"The problem, BNEF notes, is that the places that build batteries for electric cars around the world use among the dirtiest energy. Those places include China, Thailand, Germany, and Poland, the report says."
Hmmm, where does Nissan build the Leaf batteries? And what about Renault, Hyundai, Kia, and LG? And I don't even need to point out the gorilla in the room do I?
Have you noted the number of battery plants now being built or expanded in China and the other countries mentioned above which are heavily dependent on coal for electricity, by companies like BMW and D-B, not to mention Tesla and the native companies?https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-byd/chinas-byd-launches-worlds-biggest-battery-factory-idUSKBN1JO0SIChina's BYD launches world's biggest battery factoryhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/business/tesla-china-shanghai.htmlTesla’s Latest Aim: Build 500,000 Cars a Year in Chinahttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-batteries-catl/daimler-to-buy-electric-car-battery-cells-from-chinas-catl-idUSKBN1I31WBDaimler to buy electric car battery cells from China's CATLhttps://www.daimler.com/company/locations/thailand/Battery production in Thailand. Mercedes-Benz Cars pushes electric initiative in South-East Asiahttps://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0281461EN/bmw-brilliance-automotive-expands-battery-factory-in-china?language=enBMW Brilliance Automotive expands battery factory in China
And going the other way:https://qz.com/1323752/bmw-is-investing-billions-into-chinas-first-battery-plant-in-germany/BMW is investing billions into China’s new battery-cell factory in Germany
You mentioned LG Chem:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lgchem-factory-poland/lg-to-open-europes-biggest-car-battery-factory-next-year-idUSKBN1CH21WLG to open Europe's biggest car battery factory next year
That will be in Poland, a country that gets more than half its primary energy from coal, and as for electricity, coal is an even larger % of the total (88% in 2012).
It's as if you have a narrative that you want pushed!
For a guy who tries to stay informed about alternative vehicles and energy, you sure have a fairly biased slant against EV's. The whole argument about how dirty EV's are (because of coal-based electricity) has been countered by the fact that renewables are replacing fossil fuels at an exponential rate. Just because it's dirty today, doesn't mean it won't get cleaned up tomorrow.
And if you cite the IEA's forecasts as proof about how long that would take, here's proof that the IEA/EIA have been under-predicating the shift every year for over a decade: https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/06/ie ... forecasts/
Stop trying to find evidence to justify your position and open your eyes to the fact that BEV's powered by renewable energy is the future and it's coming much faster than the fossil fuel industry would like.