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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:12 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Adds Supercharger Payment Section By kWh For Model 3 On Website
http://insideevs.com/tesla-adds-superch ... n-website/

. . . How future Model 3 users would gain access, and at what cost has been a topic of discussion ever since. Will it be pay as you go? Standard with more premium trim levels? How would the Supercharging sessions be charged? By visit? By month? By kWh?

Today, the website EV.network may have figured it out, as they uncovered some new bits of added code on the company’s MyTesla page.

One of the new sections has a spot ready for Supercharging payments to be made via credit card. . . .

And another where it lists the accumulation of “Supercharging Credits”, and it appears to suggest that Supercharging stops for the Model 3 will be billed by kWhs!. . . .
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:31 pm

What's the current wait time for a Model 3? I'm guessing it's longer than the 8 months I have left on my lease extension?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:49 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:What's the current wait time for a Model 3? I'm guessing it's longer than the 8 months I have left on my lease extension?
Two years is a good estimate.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:36 am

DanCar wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:What's the current wait time for a Model 3? I'm guessing it's longer than the 8 months I have left on my lease extension?
Two years is a good estimate.


Two years is a good estimate if you are already in line, or possibly just about to get in line. If you are looking to buy without giving Tesla a 2-year 0% interest loan, it will be long enough for you to sign up for another 24month lease on a 2017 Leaf after your current lease extension is through. Or maybe try out a Bolt for a couple of years.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:31 am

The DK has been able to find a redacted copy of TSLA's application for California tax benefits (Which TSLA is asking to increase to ~$5.8 billion!?) based on model 3 production, and here's their top ten list for what it reveals:

10 True Facts From Tesla’s Model 3 CAEATFA Application

...According to the Model 3 CAEATFA application Tesla filed last year and which have been obtained exclusively by the Daily Kanban:
Tesla wrote that “Similar to our Model X, we expect Model 3 to be an extremely popular vehicle.” Yes, they actually wrote that.
Tesla estimates the Model 3’s efficiency at 318 wh/mile.
Tesla estimates the Model 3’s average transaction price will be $43,014.
The pre-tax profit margin on the Model 3 is anticipated to be 11%, according to Tesla’s CAEATFA form.
Tesla is currently developing gearboxes along with battery packs and electric motors as part of its R&D activities at its Palo Alto headquarters.
Model 3 production will share about 20% of the Gen 2 (Model S and Model X) production equipment at the Fremont plant and elsewhere.
The Model 3 expansion will expand Tesla’s California workforce by 5,600 jobs, up from 9,200 in September 2015.
Tesla has identified locations in California where it anticipates creating new manufacturing facilities for component materials currently supplied by its non-California suppliers.
Tesla estimates that California will make up demand for 20% of its vehicles for the foreseeable future.
CAEATFA is providing Tesla with $392,775 in tax relief for each new job created by the Model 3 investment...

http://dailykanban.com/2016/10/10-true- ... plication/

The entire 35 page application posted here:

http://cdn.dailykanban.com/wp-content/u ... dacted.pdf
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:41 pm

edatoakrun wrote:The DK has been able to find a redacted copy of TSLA's application for California tax benefits (Which TSLA is asking to increase to ~$5.8 billion!?) based on model 3 production, and here's their top ten list for what it reveals:

10 True Facts From Tesla’s Model 3 CAEATFA Application

...According to the Model 3 CAEATFA application Tesla filed last year and which have been obtained exclusively by the Daily Kanban:
Tesla wrote that “Similar to our Model X, we expect Model 3 to be an extremely popular vehicle.” Yes, they actually wrote that.
Tesla estimates the Model 3’s efficiency at 318 wh/mile.
Tesla estimates the Model 3’s average transaction price will be $43,014.
The pre-tax profit margin on the Model 3 is anticipated to be 11%, according to Tesla’s CAEATFA form.
Tesla is currently developing gearboxes along with battery packs and electric motors as part of its R&D activities at its Palo Alto headquarters.
Model 3 production will share about 20% of the Gen 2 (Model S and Model X) production equipment at the Fremont plant and elsewhere.
The Model 3 expansion will expand Tesla’s California workforce by 5,600 jobs, up from 9,200 in September 2015.
Tesla has identified locations in California where it anticipates creating new manufacturing facilities for component materials currently supplied by its non-California suppliers.
Tesla estimates that California will make up demand for 20% of its vehicles for the foreseeable future.
CAEATFA is providing Tesla with $392,775 in tax relief for each new job created by the Model 3 investment...

http://dailykanban.com/2016/10/10-true- ... plication/

The entire 35 page application posted here:

http://cdn.dailykanban.com/wp-content/u ... dacted.pdf

Based on that pdf, its a request for elimination of sales tax from equipment that Tesla wants to buy for manufacture of Model 3. Value of that sales tax would otherwise be around $100M

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:06 am

Providing tax relief in connection with the manufacture of EVs is a smart move for the state of California. This dovetails with the state's climate goals, helps the state compete with others for good manufacturing-related jobs, and doesn't really cost anything when compared with the scenario of those businesses (i.e., Tesla) leaving for lower-cost states as so many others have done.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:42 am

abasile wrote:<span>Providing tax relief in connection with the manufacture of EVs is a smart move for the state of California. This dovetails with the state's climate goals, helps the state compete with others for good manufacturing-related jobs, and doesn't really cost anything when compared with the scenario of those businesses (i.e., <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67" class="interlinkr">Tesla<span class="tip">Visit the Tesla Forum</span></a>) leaving for lower-cost states as so many others have done.</span>


I would go a step farther - it could actually be a net gain for the state. They keep more, higher-paying, jobs in state. Those employees pay income tax. They pay sales tax on things they buy. CA still gets tax revenue, just not as directly from Tesla.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:56 am

Rebel44 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:...The entire 35 page application posted here:

http://cdn.dailykanban.com/wp-content/u ... dacted.pdf

Based on that pdf, its a request for elimination of sales tax from equipment that Tesla wants to buy for manufacture of Model 3. Value of that sales tax would otherwise be around $100M

Where do you see that?

I couldn't find any way to estimate the total cost in a quick perusal of the application, nor could I find a some of the other top ten facts in the story.

In fairness to the DK, I was mistaken when I asked the ~$5.8 billion!? question, as the story says: "...CAEATFA is providing Tesla with $392,775 in tax relief for each new job created by the Model 3 investment..." and "...The Model 3 expansion will expand Tesla’s California workforce by 5,600 jobs..." so apparently the total cost for just those model 3 jobs is reported as ~$2.2 B.

Sounds improbable to me, at least unless it includes other CA tax benefits outside the scope of the application.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:37 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Rebel44 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:...The entire 35 page application posted here:

http://cdn.dailykanban.com/wp-content/u ... dacted.pdf

Based on that pdf, its a request for elimination of sales tax from equipment that Tesla wants to buy for manufacture of Model 3. Value of that sales tax would otherwise be around $100M

Where do you see that?

I couldn't find any way to estimate the total cost in a quick perusal of the application, nor could I find a some of the other top ten facts in the story.

In fairness to the DK, I was mistaken when I asked the ~$5.8 billion!? question, as the story says: "...CAEATFA is providing Tesla with $392,775 in tax relief for each new job created by the Model 3 investment..." and "...The Model 3 expansion will expand Tesla’s California workforce by 5,600 jobs..." so apparently the total cost for just those model 3 jobs is reported as ~$2.2 B.

Sounds improbable to me, at least unless it includes other CA tax benefits outside the scope of the application.


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