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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:06 pm

I find it pretty odd that anyone is forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement just to purchase a car: Tesla Muzzling Model 3 Buyers:
Seeking Alpha wrote:Since the first Model 3’s were handed over to employee buyers in late July, rumors have been rampant of restrictions being demanded by Tesla, Inc. (TSLA) It would be perfectly understandable if Tesla was giving these cars to employees to test drive and evaluate. But they aren’t. Tesla continues to insist current buyers are paying full retail just like any other outsider. That being the case, what gives Tesla any authority to dictate terms to these buyers?

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1) Buyers are restricted from posting anything negative on social media.

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2) Buyers must retain ownership of their Model 3 for at least one year.

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3) Buyers are prohibited from selling their Model 3 for more than the original purchase price.

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This gets really crazy when it comes to enforcement. Not only does Tesla threaten employees with disciplinary action up to and including termination, they threaten the future buyer!

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:43 pm

Finally spotted my first Model 3 on the road yesterday, a white one. Noticeably smaller than the Model S, and without the exaggerated shelves on the rear fenders that are my least favorite part of the Model S design. Well, that and the new nose, which looks just as bad on the Model 3 as it does on the Model S and X - to me it gives the front of the cars a blank look, which reminds me of someone with a serious developmental disability (apologies to anyone who is offended - I don't mean to belittle such problems, but that's what comes to mind).
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:52 pm

Tesla Model 3 production 'bottlenecks' probed by Financial Times
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/06/tes ... ial-times/

TTAC: Tesla’s Feverish Production Drive Sometimes Means Partial Assembly at Stores: Report
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/1 ... es-report/

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:07 am

On the positive side, sightings of VINs 869 and 1088 are indications progress continues to be made.

(Now back to your regular naysayers and shorts :D)
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:14 pm

jlv wrote:On the positive side, sightings of VINs 869 and 1088 are indications progress continues to be made.

(Now back to your regular naysayers and shorts :D)
But first...
A Model 3 review. Guy seems pretty impressed while unflinching about things he doesn't like:
However, I think the interior quality is the 3's biggest drawback, and possibly its only major drawback.
...
I didn't get to drive the Model 3 on too many curvy roads, but I was surprised with its performance in the few quirks where I did drive it. It stayed mostly flat in cornering and delivered no drama, even going fairly fast through some sharp turns. Body roll is minimal and steering is oddly responsive:
He talks about handling and is not blown away, basically giving it under BMW 340 performance. I would really like to drive a 3 with the 19's on one of my favorite routes for test driving, to see if I want the richer handling, vs. poorer tire life.
Time to take a test drive in a BMW 340 and Audi S3.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Fan-site electrek reports on the trickle of model 3s produced last month.

if TSLA can ever manage to produce 5,000 vehicles per week at some point in December, it won't be in December 2017...

Tesla Model 3 production reached ~440 units to date last month, sources say

As Tesla CEO Elon Musk made clear during the company’s conference call with financial analysts last week, Model 3 production is still very much in “production hell” – so much so that Musk refused to confirm how many Model 3 vehicles they produced in October.

He said that “people would just read too much into it.”

Now we have looked into it and at the end of last month, Tesla had built just over 440 Model 3 vehicles since the start of production in July, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Tesla had already confirmed having produced 260 Model 3 vehicles between July and September and it delivered 220 of those vehicles.

It means that Tesla built roughly 180 Model 3 vehicles last month.

That’s clearly not where Tesla wanted to be at that point.

Musk made it clear that the production ramp would be difficult to predict and therefore, he emphasized to take the company’s guidance lightly – though they disclosed their main goal to produce 5,000 vehicles per week at some point in December...

https://electrek.co/2017/11/09/tesla-mo ... n-numbers/
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:59 am

Going to change my speculation on the AWD3. The AWD model will actually have an induction motor in the front and a PM motor in the rear. Different inverters will be used depending on the configuration with the AWD having lower power on each of the front and rear but only slightly higher total power than the standard RWD PM version. Any "P" version will likely have a higher power front inverter. It is most likely that the initial D version will have the same or slightly higher 0-6 with the P version more likely only in an AWD version with a larger inverter up front. Presently the max current on a M3 is 800A and likely will remain close to that on the PM motors.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:05 pm

I still have a reservation on a model 3 but I'm not positive I'll get one. They are clearly delayed in manufacturing (and will be more so I think) such that federal tax credit will disappear on this thing. Then I'm looking at a ton of money with little in the way of credits. Hard to justify given what it is.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:50 pm

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:30 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:
The new AP system is a ground up design because of new hardware. It is running on the newer model S vehicles so I don't think that is a major concern.


Totally "a ground up design", absolutely no resources, e.g. the basic AP AI algorithms, pulled from the Mobileye design, right? You know this
as fact, as you're a Tesla AP system consultant or Tesla AP team member, or maybe you just know some of the production line installers?



It is very public that they are doing it in house now. They need to do all new software for the new hardware platform and there is a new team hired in charge which is irrelevant to the point. Anytime a company can leverage resources they do of course, Do you think they just leveraged the old software and were incompetent in uploading it or tweaking it even though they are competent in everything they have done in shorter time periods then any other car company . Then there is Nissan that has been in the business for years and has had the LEAF out longer than any other EV and they have the worst half-baked tech on the market, they are crippled by their culture and management. Oh, and yes I know the person that was hired to do this, and it's a secret conspiracy to defraud the public...... The first part is true. What does a line installer have to do with software development exactly?
Tesla got away from mobileye a while ago. They've been working on their own system for a couple of yeasr (?). The model 3 has substantially the same hardware as the model s. Surely it working on the same overall inputs and outputs. It is strange they have yet to allow this on the model 3.

I't obvious that the model they showed us in july was still a beta. It wasn't production because it has some major components not implemented yet. I also understand they have still been modifying the design even after the july 28 date, swapping some parts in and out here and there. The Jul 28 was not a final production vehicle despite intimations to the contrary.

It's probably convenient for the software team that the manufacturing line is having such trouble because they can hold off on features by saying they'll be ready by the time the general public takes receipt of the car.

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