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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 3:56 pm

don't like it? don't buy it. move on. gets old real fast. sorry if there is Tesla short on these forums.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 pm

finman100 wrote:don't like it? don't buy it. move on. gets old real fast. sorry if there is Tesla short on these forums.


Oh please! The two previous posts made objective comments.

One only shorts a stock when its shareholders typically make rational investment buy/sell decisions, e.g. give fundamental analysis at least some weight - remember those lemmings with their tulips. Serious doubt few if any on this forum even considers shorting TSLA or worst yet - buying TSLA PUTS.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 10:40 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Back on topic:

Someone explain this to me, please.

You have all that prime real estate, right in front of the driver, available to place controls and information displays.
And instead of utilizing that surface, you leave it blank, and try to move the same data and operations through a tiny square on the right.
My take is it lowers the dash line and simplifies the interface. I don't think it's a recent decision since the interior of the release candidates seems to be pretty much what we saw over a year ago at the reveal.
Single display, center mount. Lower cost and geared to the nascent self-driving features, not to auto-cross enthusiasts.

The binnacle-free, lowered dash with the floating screen is probably what the designers always envisioned as the signature feature of the interior. Polarizing? Maybe but I infrequently check the LEAF instrument cluster while driving. I did a test with my phone, running a speedo app, attached to the left dash vent about where the speed on the Model 3 will be displayed. No issue at all for me.
I do hope the HVAC functions and defrost work well. If so, I'm happy, and wish I could do away with the center console as well; another useless relic.

But best to ignore me, I also like the Falcon Wing Doors.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 8:14 am

sparky wrote:The binnacle-free, lowered dash with the floating screen is probably what the designers always envisioned as the signature feature of the interior. Polarizing? Maybe but I infrequently check the LEAF instrument cluster while driving. I did a test with my phone, running a speedo app, attached to the left dash vent about where the speed on the Model 3 will be displayed. No issue at all for me.


There are other cars that don't have binnacles (the Toyota Yaris for example) and instead have centered displays.

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I have heard that it doesn't take long to get used to that...and I've heard similar comments that they don't really check the dash much anyway. I'm a bit skeptical of that--I feel that I am frequently checking my speed and bubble display (and appreciate the fact that the speedo display is high up). But we'll see.

sparky wrote:I do hope the HVAC functions and defrost work well. If so, I'm happy, and wish I could do away with the center console as well; another useless relic.


In my opinion, we are far too eager to get rid of actual knobs and dials. Even the LEAF's push button controls for temp up & down are somewhat of a pain. And don't get me started on the very pushbutton oriented console of my wife's Volt--which to me seems basically like a "fixed" touch screen...everything is a pushbutton.

Granted, maybe the UI will vastly superior. But I really miss a good old fashioned knob or volume control to quickly allow me to make an adjustment without having to wait for a UI to boot up or get to the right screen.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 9:02 am

lpickup wrote: But I really miss a good old fashioned knob or volume control to quickly allow me to make an adjustment without having to wait for a UI to boot up or get to the right screen.


Right, who really likes having to scroll and become distracted to find a function requiring simple tweaking, e.g. fan speed or temp?

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 9:17 am

lpickup wrote:
There are other cars that don't have binnacles (the Toyota Yaris for example) and instead have centered displays...

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I'm sure TSLA wants to have its ~$60k (likely 2017 average sales price) 3's dash design compared to that of a ~$12k 2009 Yaris, of which at ~60 seconds you can hear:

"most people seem to hate this..."


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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 9:32 am

What does one typically look at an instrument cluster for?
RPMs? (Yeah, doesn't apply)
Speed? (Yes, unless I have traffic adapting cruise-control, then I'm only worried about steering. Especially if I set a "5mph over the limit" maximum on my adaptive cruise-control.)

And... Maybe to let me know my turn signals are still on? What cardinal direction I'm traveling? And the outside temperature?
Needing that info is so infrequent, it's no big deal to look at a center screen instead of directly above the steering wheel.

I have a theory that in order to make the autopilot features affordable, they'll make it more of a subscription or rent to own scenario. (Pay $50/mo, once you hit $XXXX paid, your monthly fee is ended.) So when your vehicle is taking care of the speed, the majority of the steering, what do you really need to look at an instrument pod for?

That said, the instrument cluster could be a series of poop emojis that rotate on dials showing my speed, temperature, etc, and I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be looking at them. I'm getting a Model 3 because:

Autopilot- both current and future functionality.
Range- Besides the Bolt, the only sub $40k car with 200+ mile range.
No Dealerships- I hate dealerships, I always have. I loathe to step into them, and I will find joy in not having to give one money.
Tesla's corporate vision- Sustainable transport, I'm not subsidizing some company that makes gas guzzling Armadas, Escalades, or Navigators.
Performance: The Leaf is peppy to me, the Bolt and the M3 are roughly twice as quick! Oh yeah!
Exterior styling: It looks nice. I like my Leaf, but I do think it's ugly. I think the Bolt looks like a cheap econobox as well.
Responsible sourcing: https://electrek.co/2017/05/31/tesla-so ... s-battery/

I could go on..
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 9:41 am

Isn't one of the main reasons for having the center display and nothing in front of the driver so that Tesla can more easily build cars that go to different countries without having to "switch" the instrument cluster?

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 11:11 am

edatoakrun wrote:I'm sure TSLA wants to have its ~$60k (likely 2017 average sales price)

Perhaps your point would be made better if you didn't exaggerate quite so much. Maybe your point is that you believe there will be so few deliveries in 2017 and they will all be fully optioned, but then so what...the's base price is $35,000 and if you want, you can buy one for $35,000 (you may just have to wait).

edatoakrun wrote: 3's dash design compared to that of a ~$12k 2009 Yaris


Yeah, because a 15" touch screen display directly compares to a traditional instrument cluster.

Look...I agree that if anything, the center display and lack of a traditional binnacle will be a drawback for some. But I think you are really stretching the argument that it is directly comparable to a Yaris.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed May 31, 2017 11:48 am

Randy wrote:Isn't one of the main reasons for having the center display and nothing in front of the driver so that Tesla can more easily build cars that go to different countries without having to "switch" the instrument cluster?


While I don't doubt that there are some cost savings, I can't imagine that they would be significant compared to moving the entire steering wheel, accelerator, brakes, and driver side window controls over to the other side of the car.
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