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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:33 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:A noted oddity of Tesla owners is that many have spent more on their cars than they ever would have otherwise..,

Tesla may be taking more market share from Honda and Kia than German luxury brands.

Both correct.

TSLA's production ramp-up happened to coincide with historic bubble in car loans, allowing just about anyone with a pulse to qualify for a ~$100k new car loan.

It will be interesting to see the price effects on used Tesla's in the future, when many owners may realize they are driving cars that they cannot afford, ~simultaneously...

Thread on-topic:

Falling car prices + subprime lending =

After years of Auto manufacturers increasing production and sales by increasing discounts delving ever-lower into the subprime market, It's now a buyer's market for both new and used cars...

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:37 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:A noted oddity of Tesla owners is that many have spent more on their cars than they ever would have otherwise, which totally belies concerns by Audi, Mercedes or BMW that market share was at their expense. There appear to be a lot of millionaire next door types in that mix who could afford any car they want but normally opt for more frugal choices, which probably accounts for their acquired wealth to a large extent. Tesla may be taking more market share from Honda and Kia than German luxury brands.

You sound like our dear president with those lies. Please show me sources that show that Tesla owners are spending anywhere close to those other owners on maintenance. Every single Tesla owner I know have spent literally $0 on upkeep, unless you count some occasional washer fluid. Please stop spreading lies. Have some integrity.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am

hyperionmark wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:A noted oddity of Tesla owners is that many have spent more on their cars than they ever would have otherwise, which totally belies concerns by Audi, Mercedes or BMW that market share was at their expense. There appear to be a lot of millionaire next door types in that mix who could afford any car they want but normally opt for more frugal choices, which probably accounts for their acquired wealth to a large extent. Tesla may be taking more market share from Honda and Kia than German luxury brands.

You sound like our dear president with those lies. Please show me sources that show that Tesla owners are spending anywhere close to those other owners on maintenance. Every single Tesla owner I know have spent literally $0 on upkeep, unless you count some occasional washer fluid. Please stop spreading lies. Have some integrity.

I was referring to the purchase :lol:
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:24 pm

hyperionmark wrote:Please show me sources that show that Tesla owners are spending anywhere close to those other owners on maintenance. Every single Tesla owner I know have spent literally $0 on upkeep, unless you count some occasional washer fluid. Please stop spreading lies. Have some integrity.


I take it that you don't know much about your Tesla, much less it's required maintenance and costs which are some of the highest in the industry. I pity the person that becomes the next in line for your car given your zero maintenance stance.

Combine a Tesla's high maintenance costs with it's extremely high cost to insure, and a Tesla is definitely not for the buyer driven by aspirational desires. Compare a Tesla's cost to maintain with a LEAFs maintenance requirements and costs and it is easy to see which has a close to zero cost to maintain.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:33 pm

="hyperionmark"...Every single Tesla owner I know have spent literally $0 on upkeep...

You must know a lot of people who buy ~100k cars and skip all the recommended maintenance.

...Here’s the new price structure for the maintenance plans:

Model S Rear Wheel Drive
Year-by-year service: $475 (1st yr) + $725 (2nd yr) + $475 (3rd yr) + $850 (4th yr) = $2,525
3-year Maintenance Plan*: $1,550 (1st-3rd yrs) + $850 (4th yr) = $2,400
4-year Maintenance Plan: $2,325
Model S All-Wheel Drive
Year-by-year service: $550 (1st yr) + $725 (2nd yr) + $475 (3rd yr) + $850 (4th yr) = $2,600
3-year Maintenance Plan*: $1,625 (1st-3rd yrs) + $850 (4th yr) = $2,475
4-year Maintenance Plan: $2,400
Model X

Year-by-year service: $625 (1st yr) + $825 (2nd yr) + $550 (3rd yr) + $975 (4th yr) = $2,975
3-year Maintenance Plan*: $1,850 (1st-3rd yrs) + $975 (4th yr) = $2,825
4-year Maintenance Plan: $2,750...

https://electrek.co/2017/02/03/tesla-no ... nce-plans/

And I guess Every single Tesla owner" never had to buy tires either, which are quite expensive and very short-lived, on all Tesla's?

You can find those costs for yourself.

Of course, it's after the warranty expires, that the TCO for a Tesla will really balloon...
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:41 pm

Yes, I misspoke. I should have included obvious tire rotations.

Most people in the know don't buy the very overpriced maintenance package from Tesla.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:44 pm

I think I have maybe realized the real reason people on here hate Tesla much more than any other forum. You all paid a ton of money for your 84 mile range vehicle, which is probably now about 60 miles. Now, for not much more money you can purchase a 210 mile vehicle with a good charging infrastructure. It's sour grapes, pure and simple.

That, or the other obvious reason....you are a little jealous of the people that can afford Teslas. It's easy and popular to put down things that only rich folk can afford.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:15 pm

hyperionmark wrote:Most people in the know don't buy the very overpriced maintenance package from Tesla.


"in the Know" ;) How can that be, Elon himself wrote this maintenance requirements. How could any one blasphemy that?

But only if that know is in the not.

But whether it is done or not, it is still has one of the highest costs to maintain of any premium sedan.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:23 pm

hyperionmark wrote:I think I have maybe realized the real reason people on here hate Tesla much more than any other forum. You all paid a ton of money for your 84 mile range vehicle, which is probably now about 60 miles. Now, for not much more money you can purchase a 210 mile vehicle with a good charging infrastructure. It's sour grapes, pure and simple.

That, or the other obvious reason....you are a little jealous of the people that can afford Teslas. It's easy and popular to put down things that only rich folk can afford.


Nope that's not it, because most of us were smart enough to know that you don't buy a Gen 1 technology of anything. Plus if you can get a product that satisfies 95% of your needs and a low price, why spend a unproportionally large additional amount for that extra 5%? What's the motivation? Could it be Ego or Vainty, or Narcissism, or to fill a void in ones life, or just plain insecurity? It just does not make good common dollars and cents sense to buy more than you need.

And since when is $6K a ton of money for 7 years and 100K use of a two new vehicles?
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