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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 10:13 am

Firetruck41 wrote:...Entitled much?

On that subject, see photos...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 11:45 am

edatoakrun wrote:
Firetruck41 wrote:...Entitled much?

On that subject, see photos...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/


I don't understand your position.
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How much did you pay any of the public or private CCS or Chademo networks beyond what a Tesla owner also paid ?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 2:46 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Firetruck41 wrote:...Entitled much?

On that subject, see photos...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/

Looked at it, what's your point? There are Model3 prototypes at a J1772/CCS charger? OK.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 4:35 pm

edatoakrun wrote:As long as TSLA maintains this policy, Tesla vehicles will only interact with the public charging infrastructure only parasitically, reducing access and dependability of nearby public chargers to drivers of all other BEVs during peak demand periods, when TSLA's own chargers are inadequate.
...

Any BEV driver can charge their BEV at public Chademo/CCS chargers, and we "pay for them" every time we use them.

By doing so whenever we travel outside our initial range, we are doing what Tesla drivers are not, contributing to the establishment of the public charger infrastructure that will be required to accelerate the retirement of the ICEV/PHEV vehicle fleet.


I'm sorry, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Those Tesla drivers are included in the "Any BEV driver" who charges at public CHAdeMO / CCS chargers, and pay for the privilege. Therefore, far from a "parasitic" relationship, any Tesla owner who does that is supporting the establishment of an open public charging network. Thus, I count it as a positive when I see a Tesla driver paying to use a charger outside of the proprietary Supercharger network.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 7:20 pm

Firetruck41 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
Firetruck41 wrote:...Entitled much?

On that subject, see photos...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/

Looked at it, what's your point? There are Model3 prototypes at a J1772/CCS charger? OK.

Look and read.

Drivers of both of the Model 3s (presumably, TSLA employees) are reported to have Teslad both of the two public CHAdeMO/CCS DC chargers by blocking access to the chargers, without paying for and using them.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 7:41 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Firetruck41 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:On that subject, see photos...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/

Looked at it, what's your point? There are Model3 prototypes at a J1772/CCS charger? OK.

Look and read.

Drivers of both of the Model 3s (presumably, TSLA employees) are reported to have Teslad both of the two public CHAdeMO/CCS DC chargers by blocking access to the chargers, without paying for and using them.

The engineers were by their cars according to the author, so I assume they were getting ready to charge, finished a charge or could move them if asked.
But that really has no bearing on this discussion, unless you are trying to use that to show that Tesla's suck. And of course then we would have to say that BMW's suck because some owners are pretentious, Prius sucks because their are some self righteous braggarts that drive them...
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 7:19 am

They stopped there for a photo op. The drivers were standing next to the cars (telling folks it is OK to take pictures of the outside, but not the inside).

This is very similar to when Motor Trend took 2 Bolts to a Tesla Supercharger and parked them there (see the Feb 2017 issue).
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 10:07 am

edatoakrun wrote:Drivers of both of the Model 3s (presumably, TSLA employees) are reported to have Teslad both of the two public CHAdeMO/CCS DC chargers by blocking access to the chargers, without paying for and using them.


While I am certainly not going to defend this particular practice of blocking the spots without actually making use of them--although the statement is weakened by the fact that the drivers are standing right there next to their vehicles--I am having a real hard time following your logic about why Tesla drivers charging at CHAdeMO/CCS chargers are somehow different than any other BEV driver that charges at those same charging stations, and sometimes abusing it by abandoning their vehicle for longer than it takes to complete the charge.

And I'm certainly not saying that all Tesla drivers are not @$$holes about public charging...there is a guy in my area that checks in his Tesla Model X at public L2 charging stations in the area, sometimes only an hour or so apart. I suppose it could be a legitimate use of the charging stations, but I somehow doubt it and feel that like most of us after we got our EVs--he basically enjoys the feeling of getting something for free.

But back to your complaint about the supposed hypocrisy of Tesla keeping their Supercharger network proprietary and yet "allowing" (or maybe enabling) their customers to use CHAdeMO/CCS (which I think--but I'm not sure--is your point).

First, isn't it true that Tesla has offered to open up their Superchargers to other makes of cars, provided they can accept the high charging rates offered by the SC (so as not to tie them up for a long period of time) and that they pay into the expansion and operation of the network? Both of those seem entirely reasonable requests to me. Sure, maybe that is not the model that other automakers want to use, but as a DRIVER, I would be perfectly content (if I had a hypothetical non-Tesla EV that me the charge rate requirements), I would gladly pay for use of the SC, just as I gladly pay for access to CHAdeMO today.

So how about the other side of the coin? Tesla owners charging at CHAdeMO. Well I just don't see what the big deal here is. If they are at a pay station, they pay for their charge, and I presume they wouldn't actually pay for the charge unless they actually needed it.

And if it's a free charger (say at a Nissan dealer), then it comes down to whether they really need the charge or not. But the same can be said for any EV driver. Having said that, I think that it's generally fair for fast charger owners to either charge a nominal fee to discourage non-essential use, or to clearly state their rules, restrictions and policies. So for example there is a shopping area in my area that has a fast charger. But they don't really have a clear policy marked so it's common for EVs to plug in and leave their vehicle there for an hour or more. How about Nissan dealers? Well Nissan has at least invested in the infrastructure (to the dismay of their dealers) and established a quasi-network. It would be fair of them to perhaps restrict use to only LEAFs (although they probably couldn't be bothered to enforce a ban on non-LEAFs, and it would create ill will towards potential customers anyway). But if you're going to have a problem with Tesla owners charging at Nissan dealerships and tying up the CHAdeMO, then you can really only blame Nissan for not having a policy that forbids it.

Personally, when driving my Volt, I would generally not go to another type of dealer to charge my car (unless it was an emergency). The same for my LEAF (but for CHAdeMO, Nissan is really the only game in town around me). As a potential future Model 3 driver I can't say I would never charge at a Nissan dealer, but I certainly would charge at a public/pay CHAdeMO station if need be (but only when actually required).
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 10:45 am

Back on topic:

Assuming TSLA is serious about this, someone explain to me, please.

You have all that prime real estate, right in front of the driver, available to place controls and information displays.

And instead of utilizing that surface, you leave it blank, and try to move the same data and operations through a tiny square on the right.

Just to save a few bucks?

Just to be different?

And if that is the case, does this weirdness for its own sake remind anyone of the model X "falcon wing doors" fiasco?

Spy shots could solve the mystery of Elon Musk's Model 3 interior: Pictures reveal Tesla's radical single screen dashboard

...Musk had previously addressed the issue of no traditional dashboard display, tell users who asked for one 'You won't care' before confirming the car won't use a heads up display either.
A new comparison of models on Tesla's own site confirms the spec, saying the Model 3 will only have a single 15inch display, while the more expensive Model S has a separate 'driver display'.
According to Teslerati, 'The latest photos gives us a clearer look at the landscape-mounted touchscreen, which resembles an off-the-shelf computer monitor that’s been bolted onto the dashboard...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ealed.html

The rest of the article is a good summary of the current state of TSLA, BTW.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 30, 2017 11:09 am

edatoakrun wrote:Back on topic:

Someone explain this to me, please.

You have all that prime real estate, right in front of the driver, available to place controls and information displays.

And instead of utilizing that surface, you leave it blank, and try to move the same data and operations through a tiny square on the right.


If I had to speculate, I would guess that Elon had grander plans for the Model 3 instruments and to turn it into a "spaceship" but after talking to his engineers they decided to backpedal and keep just the single screen to avoid the Model 3 instrument panel from becoming another falcon wing door, and by then it was too close to "pencils down" to backtrack and put a traditional binnacle in.

I do agree that the way the screen is mounted lacks an "integrated" feel and could potentially be one of the few polarizing elements of the Model 3. I feel the same way about the BMW i3 and that screen is a lot less "protruding".
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