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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 10:14 am

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cwerdna wrote:Somone at TCF made a note that (at the top of) https://www.tesla.com/model3 are supposed wait times (month ranges) if you reserve now for various configs (e.g. long range battery and RWD vs. say standard battery)


"Standard range 6-12 months." With 400,000 preorders and 5k per week that is 80 weeks of production. Sure, some cancellations, but I don't see how there is much chance of a new order being delivered in 6 months for the standard range. Even 12 months seems unlikely.


The 450k preorders are global (with model S & X sales as a proxy, only 150-180k are US pre-orders). Shipments of the model 3 outside the US are not scheduled until next year. So all the estimates are for US orders only. With the sunsetting of the federal tax credit, US orders will be prioritized over international ones. The LR RWD variant demand is being filled now, LR AWD will be filled in July when 5000/wk production is reached, giving them the capacity to build 125k more model 3's until the end of the year.

So there's some buffer in those numbers, since they don't know what the actual take rate will be between LR AWD and SR RWD orders will be. There's nothing nefarious about Tesla's estimates.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 10:57 am

That's got to hurt...

Tesla Model 3 Falls Short of a CR Recommendation

Despite record range and agile handling, issues with braking, controls, and ride quality hurt the Model 3’s Overall Score



...Because we saw some inconsistency in the braking performance, we got a second Model 3 (a privately owned vehicle that was loaned to CR) to verify our results. CR has tested second samples in previous situations to double-check our findings.

When we ran the second Model 3 through the same tests, we got almost identical results.

In our tests of both Model 3 samples, the stopping distances were much longer than the stopping distances we recorded on other Teslas and other cars in this class.

The Tesla Model 3’s 152 feet is 21 feet longer than the class average of 131 feet for luxury compact sedans and 25 feet longer than the results for its much larger SUV sibling, the Model X.

CR’s experience with the Model 3’s braking is not unique. Car and Driver, in its published test of a Model 3, said it noticed “a bizarre amount of variation” in its test, including one stop from 70 mph that took “an interminable 196 feet.”

“I’ve been testing cars for 11 years,” Car and Driver Testing Director K.C. Colwell said in an interview with CR, “and in 11 years, no car has stood out with inconsistent braking like this. Some trucks have. . . . It was just weird.”...

https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids ... mendation/
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 1:44 pm

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LTLFTcomposite wrote:I hope nobody is paying ridiculous cc interest rates on that grand but I suspect some are.



If you need to float $1000 any CC for that long it seems like you may not be able to afford a $35K plus car and certainly not the finance rates on the car. I guess those would be Ed's financially responsible contingency.
I'd bet my life somebody has that $1k accruing interest this very minute. Some people are desperate to "own a tesla" and will go to truly idiotic lengths to achieve it. Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-c4xo6dS0

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 1:46 pm

WetEV wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Somone at TCF made a note that (at the top of) https://www.tesla.com/model3 are supposed wait times (month ranges) if you reserve now for various configs (e.g. long range battery and RWD vs. say standard battery)


"Standard range 6-12 months." With 400,000 preorders and 5k per week that is 80 weeks of production. Sure, some cancellations, but I don't see how there is much chance of a new order being delivered in 6 months for the standard range. Even 12 months seems unlikely.
It's because Tesla is just making stuff up now. I don't even think it's trying. These latest estimates are mind boggling.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 4:13 pm


Need to survive to keep producing Model 3s at all. No doubt this has been analyzed multiple ways and multiple times by their financial folks.
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:When it became obvious to me there was no way I'd ever get the federal rebate for this car, I concluded it was time to stop partaking in these shenanigans and I recently withdrew my reservation.

Confusing why you keep posting in this thread because you no longer care about being a Tesla supporter/owner per above.

Aside: Yes, I have a Model 3 reserved. My oldest kid is buying it.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 4:49 pm

Aside from manual there is a decent support page:
https://www.tesla.com/support/model-3#c ... ion-201810
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 5:40 pm

There are plenty of examples of people that buy cars outside their means. Some
People have $100k cars when they should own $10k cars. Luckily Ed will soon have a seminar that shows how people that buy the $35k Tesla don’t have to be fleeced by Elon and how people like the guy above are smarter with their money than others that may have slightly more. When Tesla takes deposits from unsuspecting people that are financially less advantaged they are basically no better than payday loan operators. Hopefully someone will investigate this scam soon, perhaps our present administration, they know a government scam when they see one.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 6:18 pm

scottf200 wrote:Confusing why you keep posting in this thread because you no longer care about being a Tesla supporter/owner per above.
I'll address your confusion by asking if you've ever had an opinion on something you were not an unabashed fan of.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 6:20 pm

scottf200 wrote:Need to survive to keep producing Model 3s at all. No doubt this has been analyzed multiple ways and multiple times by their financial folks.
This is what we all suspected. It is nice to see Elon finally admit it, though. To date the excuse has been that they were simplifying things by producing only one variant. This never was believable given that the standard range is a simpler, cheaper car. So people assumed it was because they had massive cash problems, and so this is not at all surprising.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 21, 2018 7:52 pm

lpickup wrote:You [Ed] keep saying that Tesla hasn't produced a $35K vehicle (although I can't really recall WHY that is important to you, other than that it's a milestone that Tesla hasn't achieved that you can point to as evidence of Tesla's impending doom). But you also say that they never will, which I think will most likely turn out to be false. They will produce one, if only because the cost of the battery will fall enough to make it very doable.

That milestone is a couple months away, and then Ed and the other Tesla trolls will have to manufacture something else to whine and FUD about while their stock shorts eat them alive.

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