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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 am

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/21/tes ... s-edmunds/ (Consumer Reports, Edmunds observe significant problems with Tesla Model 3 test cars) has a pointer to https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-3/2 ... -2018.html. The latter looks pretty bad.

Elon replied tonight to CR's inconsistent braking results: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998777288559755264. So, that's good news if that's all it takes.

Unrelated (as I posted elsewhere), Bloomberg Surveillance had some really weird reporting Sunday night/early in Monday morning about the AWD Tesla Model 3 announcement. They kept calling it a "price hike" :roll: and said things like the Model 3 will "now cost buyers nearly $80,000". And, "what does the hike mean for Musk and his vision?" They kept repeating weird crap about a "price hike" about every 30 minutes when they'd do their news recaps.

Uhh... it's not a "price hike". The $49K car still costs $49K. Just because a $78K version came out doesn't == price hike.

Don't know if they were clueless, confused or Tesla actually prodded them to say that (for optics w/investors).

I'm saving the recording on my TiVo, for now. Maybe I'll put up a that brief soundbite on YouTube along w/some commentary (to hopefully make it fair use).

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 12:32 am

edatoakrun wrote:[b][size=150]Tesla Model 3 Falls Short of a CR Recommendation


They also did not like the over-complication of a touch-screen-driven interface for what should be simple reflexive tasks. Glad to know I'm not insane. :roll:
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 3:09 am

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Also, Consumer Reports has an early production car. Model 3 now has improved ride comfort, lower wind noise & many other small improvements. Will request that they test current production

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 3:26 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:I'd bet my life somebody has that $1k accruing interest this very minute. Some people are desperate to "own a tesla" and will go to truly idiotic lengths to achieve it. Case in point:

He opted for the lowest payment... imagine that!
This is simultaneously what's wrong with America and what's great about America. Part of me wants to bitch-slap that guy and tell him how many more important things he is too young to understand he's jeopardizing by burying himself in debt for that car, like owning a home someday or maybe not having to eat cat food in retirement. Then I remember that a) it's none of my business and b) who am I to dictate priorities for what will bring him happiness in life. Obviously he *really* wants to own a Tesla and maybe that passion is so great the novelty won't ever wear off under the weight of those payments. Please no complaining though about some array of social injustices when he's spreading little friskies on saltines.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 4:14 am

I showed that video to my wife. We both wondered why banks would give a student a $50k loan for a car.
I can only imagine the lenders were swayed by his job prospects (in nursing ?) after he graduates, but it still means that the country is full steam ahead into easy credit. How short are memories are.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 5:47 am

EVDRIVER wrote:... Every person I know that reserved with the intent to get a SR model has decided to get an LR model...

No, none of them made that decision, since none of them had the opportunity to buy the SR s, or any model 3 delivered for under $50k, much less the promised "$35,000" model 3.

TSLA determined to sell model 3s only at the much higher price, long before soliciting deposits for "$35,000" model 3's, and many of the poor suckers who believed Musk's lies have now been baited and switched to pay for much higher priced 3's.

lpickup wrote:You [Ed] keep saying that Tesla hasn't produced a $35K vehicle...

Actually, what I have said (see above) is that TSLA has not delivered a model 3 yet for less than $50,000...

lpickup wrote: ...But you also say that they never will, which I think will most likely turn out to be false...

No, I have not. Please refrain from inventing statements from others in your comments.

lpickup wrote:...They will produce one (a $35K vehicle) if only because the cost of the battery will fall enough to make it very doable.

Unless TSLA suffers financial failure or the model 3 succumbs to obsolescence first, preventing this from happening, that is likely.

But remember that TSLA actually increased the average selling price of the S/X model vehicle for years, and recently has cut production of to avoid reducing sales prices for as long as possible. It is entirely possible TSLA will replay this strategy in pricing the 3.

SageBrush wrote:...That milestone ($35K vehicle) is a couple months away...

That's when you expect to accept delivery of the $35K vehicle (or is it ~$40k, SR with PUP?) you've been waiting for for so long?

Sounds to me that musk's latest statement suggests that is impossible.

scottf200 wrote:

...

So, Musk is saying that until TSLA achieves consistent 5k per week production levels for model 3s sold for an average price of ~$60 k (or higher) TSLA will never sell any model 3s for under $50k?
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Tue May 22, 2018 7:08 am

edatoakrun wrote:
lpickup wrote: ...But you also say that they never will, which I think will most likely turn out to be false...

No, I have not. Please refrain from inventing statements from others in your comments.


While you mostly just imply that the timeline will continually be pushed out or that Tesla will fail altogether before the base model ever comes out, as you did one quote later in this very post:

edatoakrun wrote:
lpickup wrote:...They will produce one (a $35K vehicle) if only because the cost of the battery will fall enough to make it very doable.

Unless TSLA suffers financial failure or the model 3 succumbs to obsolescence first, preventing this from happening, that is likely.


(although you do acknowledge that that scenario is not likely), you certainly have expressed your opinion that it's possible that the base model never sees the light of day:

edatoakrun wrote:The only surprise in last night's event, was that there were no surprises...

OrientExpress wrote:Big takeaways, first cars are $44K.

$35K will get you a black car with black cloth interior....

When and if TSLA starts to build them:

...The base Tesla Model 3 was confirmed to have a price of $35,000...with deliveries to start in the Fall/November 2017...

http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-specs/

And if production is not quickly terminated due to "lack of demand", which you may recall was the excuse given by TSLA after having sold only a handful of the "~$50k" versions of the S.


Emphasis mine.

And if only on a technicality, with your math, I do agree with you that Tesla will never deliver a vehicle for $35K since apparently you consider destination charges as part of your equation (perhaps fairly so), making the base model a $36K vehicle.

edatoakrun wrote:
lpickup wrote:You [Ed] keep saying that Tesla hasn't produced a $35K vehicle...

Actually, what I have said (see above) is that TSLA has not delivered a model 3 yet for less than $50,000...


Black Model 3 with aero wheels + LR range battery + PUP = $49,000. It's only $50K if you add in the destination charge.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 7:19 am

I guess all those people that changed their reservations had no idea what they were doing. Is nonsense and FUD a hobby or full time occupation for you?

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 8:24 am

cwerdna wrote:https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/21/tesla-model-3-consumer-reports-edmunds/ (Consumer Reports, Edmunds observe significant problems with Tesla Model 3 test cars) has a pointer to https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-3/2 ... -2018.html. The latter looks pretty bad.

Elon replied tonight to CR's inconsistent braking results: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998777288559755264. So, that's good news if that's all it takes.

Unrelated (as I posted elsewhere), Bloomberg Surveillance had some really weird reporting Sunday night/early in Monday morning about the AWD Tesla Model 3 announcement. They kept calling it a "price hike" :roll: and said things like the Model 3 will "now cost buyers nearly $80,000". And, "what does the hike mean for Musk and his vision?" They kept repeating weird crap about a "price hike" about every 30 minutes when they'd do their news recaps.

Uhh... it's not a "price hike". The $49K car still costs $49K. Just because a $78K version came out doesn't == price hike.

Don't know if they were clueless, confused or Tesla actually prodded them to say that (for optics w/investors).

I'm saving the recording on my TiVo, for now. Maybe I'll put up a that brief soundbite on YouTube along w/some commentary (to hopefully make it fair use).


All this is pretty transparent, more Tesla pricing FUD and not from Tesla, more media nonsense. Like other firmware fixes I don't see an issue because I don't see other widespread complaints about braking and clearly they are not going to sell performance cars that stop slowly. Just like other "huge" Tesla issues they seem to get resolved or have already been resolved.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 22, 2018 2:10 pm

SageBrush wrote:I showed that video to my wife. We both wondered why banks would give a student a $50k loan for a car.
I can only imagine the lenders were swayed by his job prospects (in nursing ?) after he graduates, but it still means that the country is full steam ahead into easy credit. How short are memories are.

If I were king all consumer lending would be non recourse. Isn't CA already leading the way there? (was the guy in the video from CA?)
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