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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:51 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Model 3 With CCS Combo Inlet, S & X With CCS Adaptor In Europe
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-ccs-combo-s-x-adaptor/

The introduction of the Tesla Model 3 in Europe will bring huge changes to Tesla’s charging policy, as the company is leaning towards implementing the CCS Combo fast charging standard.

First of all, the Tesla Model 3 will get a CCS Combo-compatible charging inlet.

The Model S and Model X (which don’t have that much space for bigger inlets) will get an adaptor for DC CCS chargers, just like in case of the CHAdeMO adaptor. It should be similarly priced (around €500), but smaller in size.

That will open the Tesla Model S, X and 3 to use any CCS Combo fast chargers, including the latest ultra-fast chargers, introduced by IONITY, for example.

Another major move is to retrofit Supercharging stations in Europe with CCS Combo DC plugs (ahead of the Model 3 introduction). Tesla will add those to existing Supercharging DC plugs, based on the AC Type 2 plugs, which where used for both AC and DC charging scenarios in the Model S and Model X. Each charging post will be dual-connector.

We assume that this is just the first chapter, as in the long-term, Tesla simply could upgrade Model S and Model X for CCS Combo inlets, and then remove the Type 2-based plugs from Superchargers entirely.

The last major point is that introducing CCS Combo DC plugs at Superchargers brings Tesla closer to an open the network for other manufacturers of electric cars, which now could use the Tesla network (by participating in fronting some costs), without any changes on the car side.

The side effect of equipping the Model 3 with a CCS Combo inlet is that a physically bigger connector should enable Tesla to increase the power level of charging, especially since liquid-cooled cables/plugs have already been developed by at least few suppliers. On the other hand, the CHAdeMO infrastructure at least for now iis stuck for a while at 50-100 kW (despite the standard itself being upgraded to higher power).

AC charging (single- and three-phase) through a Type 2-compatible inlet will remain unaffected by the change. . . .
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:20 pm

CCS in Europe is different than CCS in N. America. Tesla is making a smart move across the pond but I am skeptical that a CCS adapter will be offered (or work) locally. I hope to be proven wrong.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:50 pm

As far as I know, if US accepted CCS as "the national standard" then it also means Type1 must be on every vehicle sold.
For US that means that soon all vehicles with a plug must have J1772 as a bare minimum.
And therefore CCS1 for rapid charging is likely.
This is what is happening in EU. ALL cars must have Type2. This is why Leaf2 has Type2 now. Nissan never wanted that.
All new charging stations must have at least one CCS-compatible plug. Or locations. Aww I don't remember the whole story.
The automotive manufacturers supporting CCS have committed themselves to migrate to CCS 2.0 in 2018. Thus it is recommended for EVSE manufacturers to also support CCS 2.0 from 2018 on.


CCS already knew that there will be a rise of all kind of plugs and if anybody wants to use it, IT must be the one.
So I believe Tesla soon will be pushed to have J1772 onboard soon.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:05 pm

Order by the end of the month and get the car by December 31st? Why isn't everyone freaking out that the backlog has been exhausted?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:27 pm

The backlog was ~400,000 global deposits for the base car, the long range car, and the performance car with two interior choices each. Six combos.

The Model 3 has only been on sale in the US and Canada up to this point and they’re getting close to 100k deliveries in these two markets. This is with two of the six original permutations available (the medium range car is a new addition and deliveries are just beginning now).

So 100k US/Canadian deliveries of the most expensive 2/6 of the available selections is probably right in line with the ratio of deposits. The other ~300k are for standard range, standard interior, or other markets like Europe and Asia.

Demand for performance or long range Model 3s with the premium interior package in the US and Canada from this point forward will be solely from fresh orders, not the original group of deposit holders from March of 2016.

That’s why nobody’s freaking out.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:31 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Order by the end of the month and get the car by December 31st? Why isn't everyone freaking out that the backlog has been exhausted?

I believe that the backlog for the most expensive 3's have been exhausted for a few months now. Easy to do that when they are churning out almost 1,000 a day. The backlog now is outside the US and for the short range version. But just because a backlog is worked through doesn't mean they aren't getting plenty of orders for it.

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Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:49 pm

Thanks
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 pm

hyperionmark wrote:Easy to do that when they are churning out almost 1,000 a day.

Elon Musk to Prowl Production Lines in Push for Model 3 Milestone
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-mus ... 04373.html
The chief executive officer wrote in an email to staff Thursday that he will walk the entire Model 3 production line on Nov. 27 and 28. From battery cells to finished vehicles, all assembly areas need to be able to support making 1,000 cars per day, Musk said.

“If you can’t see a way to get there, please let me know as soon as possible, so that I can help solve for this outcome,” Musk wrote in the email. “This is extremely important for our prosperity.”
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“Last quarter was great, but now we need to prove financial sustainability,” Musk wrote in a separate email to staff. Tesla needs to produce 1,000 Model 3s a day on a sustained basis in the next few weeks to achieve “a financially healthy quarter,” and then the company will keep increasing output in early 2019 as it starts shipments to Europe and Asia, he said.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:20 am

I am curious. The intermediate range battery has a 200 mile range. The basic car has 200-230 range. Is the offered car a scam? It sounds like to me that the intermediate range car is a way for Elon to sell;,l a car that is profitable. At least the 9K LR is gone for most people.
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:45 am

GlennD wrote:I am curious. The intermediate range battery has a 200 mile range. The basic car has 200-230 range. Is the offered car a scam? It sounds like to me that the intermediate range car is a way for Elon to sell;,l a car that is profitable. At least the 9K LR is gone for most people.


The base car hasn’t been certified by the EPA but is said to have 220 miles of range. The Mid-Range car has 260 miles of EPA certified range. The long range cars have 310 miles of EPA range.

There is no Model 3 offered with 200 miles of range.
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