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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 5:33 pm

GRA wrote:GM really needs to offer better deals it they want to approach the 30k annual production capacity...

GM may prefer instead to sell more of those ~30 k per year in Europe, where higher gas prices and smaller butts may make the bolt a more acceptable option...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 5:41 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:GM really needs to offer better deals it they want to approach the 30k annual production capacity...

GM may prefer instead to sell more of those ~30 k per year in Europe, where higher gas prices and smaller butts may make the bolt a more acceptable option...

Could be, although they've still got to sell enough here so they can get the credits needed to sell more pickups and SUVs.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed May 03, 2017 11:01 am

The Bolt EV has 94.4 cu ft of interior volume, while the Leaf has 92.4. So, the Bolt EV is bigger inside than the Leaf.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed May 03, 2017 11:31 am

My Leaf lease is up in December. I'm really hoping the Bolt leases come down by then. They're ridiculous at the moment. I need the range for pretty regular trips into Los Angeles, and I'm tired of paying insurance on a second "weekend" ICE care for these trips, not to mention the extra space taken and maintenance required.

If GM continues to keep the leases high, I'll have to look at the Hyundai. It doesn't have the range I want, but their unlimited miles + charge credits will be hard to resist.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed May 03, 2017 5:18 pm

DesertSprings wrote:... Bolt leases come down by then. They're ridiculous at the moment. ...
What is ridiculous about the leases?
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed May 03, 2017 5:54 pm

If those represented all of the leases, or GM's lease offers, then nothing. Those require that you already have a "competitive lease" and I suspect they are for just one or two cars. At any rate, it's good sign that the glut is starting to spook dealers, if not GM. The Premiere residual is, of course, terrible, so if you want to eventually buy the car, the Bolt is still not worth it.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed May 03, 2017 7:32 pm

Via IEVS:
Official Range Calculator For Opel Ampera-E Shows Impact Of Temperature, HVAC Usage
http://insideevs.com/official-range-cal ... vac-usage/

    . . . Range results are as follows:

    Temperature (HVAC OFF / ON)
    -20°C: 432 km / 242 km (268 miles/150 miles)
    -10°C: 439 km / 256 km (273 miles/159 miles)
    0°C: 473 km / 316 km (293 miles/197 miles)
    10°C: 512 km / 412 km (318 miles/256 miles)
    20°C: 527 km / 472 km (327 miles/293 miles)
    30°C: 515 km / 422 km (320 miles/252 miles)
    40°C: 502 km / 368 km (312 miles/229 miles)
    Between the highest result of 527 km (~327 miles) at 20°C and the lowest at 432 km (~269 miles) at -20°C we see some 18% range drop.

    While, the use of heating at -20°C would eat 54% of range to 242 km (~150 miles), and that’s not end as there could be also stronger wind or other factors.

    The very worst case scenario is -20°C and into the wind/aggressive driving, which decreases range to 253 km (157 miles) / 210 km (130 miles) depending on heating OFF/ ON. That’s up to around 60% less than normal.

Note the above ranges are at 'medium' speed.

Calculator here: http://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/ampera-e/u ... lator.html
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 05, 2017 8:54 am

Saw my first Bolt in the wild yesterday and found myself being just a hair disappointed that it was so small compared to my Gen 1 LEAF. I don't know why - it's not like I'd not seen the Bolt before, but I guess I never have been side-by-side next to one.

It probably won't stop me from buying in, but it might give me pause for thought if another option in a similar size to my LEAF but with Bolt range came about in the next few years. A Volt with Bolt underpinnings would be just perfect, even with the slight range hit.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 05, 2017 10:17 am

mwalsh wrote:Saw my first Bolt in the wild yesterday and found myself being just a hair disappointed that it was so small compared to my Gen 1 LEAF. I don't know why - it's not like I'd not seen the Bolt before, but I guess I never have been side-by-side next to one.

It probably won't stop me from buying in, but it might give me pause for thought if another option in a similar size to my LEAF but with Bolt range came about in the next few years. A Volt with Bolt underpinnings would be just perfect, even with the slight range hit.


The Bolt EV actually has more passenger space than the Leaf, and fits taller people more comfortably. The Leaf has more hatch space, but not by much.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 05, 2017 11:00 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:
mwalsh wrote:Saw my first Bolt in the wild yesterday and found myself being just a hair disappointed that it was so small compared to my Gen 1 LEAF. I don't know why - it's not like I'd not seen the Bolt before, but I guess I never have been side-by-side next to one.

It probably won't stop me from buying in, but it might give me pause for thought if another option in a similar size to my LEAF but with Bolt range came about in the next few years. A Volt with Bolt underpinnings would be just perfect, even with the slight range hit.


The Bolt EV actually has more passenger space than the Leaf, and fits taller people more comfortably. The Leaf has more hatch space, but not by much.

I'm a taller person and I can say for me, thats simply not true. The Leaf has more head room than the Bolt and FOR SURE the Volt, which is downright awful for head room IMO. True that the Bolt and to a lesser degree Volt has slightly more leg length room, but when I put both the Bolt and Volt all the way back, the drivers seat was almost touching the rear passenger seat :shock:
It's all about spin and numbers. I believe both the Bolt and Volt are categorized as a small station wagon, or something like that, which makes their interior numbers look larger than the Leaf. Look I'm not saying the Leaf is a large car and sure I'd like more room, especially cargo but compared to either of the Chevys it seems large.
It all boils down to what feels best to you, if you have very long legs and don't care about rear seat room, and aren't that tall, get a Bolt or possibly a Volt but IMO the Volt is way too small, unless you are also small, at lest with the Bolt a taller person has a chance.
I'm not even going to get into the Bolt's cramped front seats :lol:
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