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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:40 pm

Either you know that a ~60kwh Leaf will be available next year, or you don't. If you don't, then what I wrote applies.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:12 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
It's all relative. I'm guessing you don't live in the US? If you do, take a look around.

I park my Leaf in any typical parking lot, and it is smaller than 90% of the vehicles there. The most common size car in the northeast is along the lines of the Rogue (or Escape/CR-V/RAV-4/etc). My mother drives a CR-V and she is convinced it is small. The smallest car she would consider buying. My Leaf can practically fit inside of her car!


Comutacar was only sold in the US

As for what I see in the parking lot, it's been months since I saw a large car and it was a 60's era 3 row station wagon.

Like you I do see mini vans like the Escape, Rogue , CRV, RAV4 along with lots of full size vans and trucks.

I really don't know of any sub $25000 full size sedans on the market and the only cars I do see are mid size or smaller.

What sedans would you consider being large?

I think expecting them to make another mini van out of the leaf would be unfortunate. A 60kw battery to only go 120 miles would be a fail in my book

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:03 am

rmay635703 wrote:
Stoaty wrote:So the 2018 Leaf is going to be narrower than the current Leaf???

To make it bigger and also more efficient that is the only way to go.

Making the car narrower makes it bigger? Is that part of the new math?
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:14 am

Stoaty wrote:
rmay635703 wrote:
Stoaty wrote:So the 2018 Leaf is going to be narrower than the current Leaf???

To make it bigger and also more efficient that is the only way to go.

Making the car narrower makes it bigger? Is that part of the new math?

Length gives legroom height gives roomieness

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:38 am

OrientExpress wrote:In the US the the EPA classifies the LEAF as a mid-sized car, and the Bolt is classified as a compact station wagon.


IOW the EPA acts is acting like a doomed entity...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 7:05 am

Bigger discounts on Bolts coming soon?

Chevrolet Bolt EV And Volt Sales Flatten In April

...national reserves of the Bolt EV in America quadrupled (to more than 4,000 units); and with that, we anticipated much higher sales numbers.

Unfortunately those sales did not materialize, and it is difficult to put a positive spin on April’s result for the EV.

For April, 1,292 Bolt EVs were sold...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-ev- ... -in-april/
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 8:45 am

edatoakrun wrote:Bigger discounts on Bolts coming soon?

Chevrolet Bolt EV And Volt Sales Flatten In April

...national reserves of the Bolt EV in America quadrupled (to more than 4,000 units); and with that, we anticipated much higher sales numbers.

Unfortunately those sales did not materialize, and it is difficult to put a positive spin on April’s result for the EV.

For April, 1,292 Bolt EVs were sold...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-ev- ... -in-april/

Simple
Cheap gas
Limited sales region and advertising
Toyo fanboys have a usable PHEV
Tesla fanboys are waiting for the econobox to be sold
Early adopters already have usable cars and mainstream buyers want bigger land barges
Lease is still high and most EVs lease
GM has a very large anti GMcrowd and they have yet to clean up their identity effectively

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 9:07 am

edatoakrun wrote:Bigger discounts on Bolts coming soon?

Chevrolet Bolt EV And Volt Sales Flatten In April

...national reserves of the Bolt EV in America quadrupled (to more than 4,000 units); and with that, we anticipated much higher sales numbers.

Unfortunately those sales did not materialize, and it is difficult to put a positive spin on April’s result for the EV.

For April, 1,292 Bolt EVs were sold...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-ev- ... -in-april/



Sooner than I predicted. Give it even more time and we may start seeing Spark type leases.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 1:07 pm

rmay635703 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:Bigger discounts on Bolts coming soon?

Chevrolet Bolt EV And Volt Sales Flatten In April

...national reserves of the Bolt EV in America quadrupled (to more than 4,000 units); and with that, we anticipated much higher sales numbers.

Unfortunately those sales did not materialize, and it is difficult to put a positive spin on April’s result for the EV.

For April, 1,292 Bolt EVs were sold...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-ev- ... -in-april/

Simple
Cheap gas
Limited sales region and advertising
Toyo fanboys have a usable PHEV
Tesla fanboys are waiting for the econobox to be sold
Early adopters already have usable cars and mainstream buyers want bigger land barges
Lease is still high and most EVs lease
GM has a very large anti GMcrowd and they have yet to clean up their identity effectively

+1
Although I wouldn't say I want a "land barge" bur rather not something smaller nor cheaper built than my current Leaf :)
It's really too bad as if the Bolt had been even as good as my current Leaf(of course with the bigger battery) I'd have been on board, as is I have little interest in the Bolt in it's current state. IOW I'm not willing to trade everything else for the sake of range.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 02, 2017 5:17 pm

GM really needs to offer better deals it they want to approach the 30k annual production capacity. As it is, they're looking more like 12-15k for the year, or maybe 20k if they see a late spurt. OTOH, I'm seeing a Bolt or two every week now, and they are still more common than the Prime around here even though the latter is considerably outselling it - maybe Toyota's selling a lot more out of California than the Bolt, which is still limited in the number of states it's available in.
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