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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 05, 2017 12:38 pm

Had the opportunity to test drive an LT & Premier Bolt. I'm 6'6", 350lbs. Absolutely cannot fit in a Focus EV & Model S.

From a tall/big perspective, I've found the headroom on par with the Leaf. The seat felt smaller as I could barely squeeze my hand to buckle the seatbelt. No issues with the Leaf. In any case, not a deal breaker. I also noticed the padding in the seats to be softer than a leaf. Actually considerably softer, however have not experienced some of the leg pains I've read about elsewhere.

During the test drive, I took it on the highway, up to about 70mph. Wind/road noise was substantially louder in the Bolt vs Leaf. In the end it felt more like an econobox vehicle. Hard to justify $40k on this vehicle and left me with the sense that heavy discounting is inbound.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 05, 2017 1:07 pm

Pretty much the same impressions as us. IT WAS LOUD. Seats, meh. Dash was nice. We decided to buy the 2016 Leaf. Range not a thing for us.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun May 07, 2017 7:02 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:
mwalsh wrote:Saw my first Bolt in the wild yesterday and found myself being just a hair disappointed that it was so small compared to my Gen 1 LEAF. I don't know why - it's not like I'd not seen the Bolt before, but I guess I never have been side-by-side next to one.

It probably won't stop me from buying in, but it might give me pause for thought if another option in a similar size to my LEAF but with Bolt range came about in the next few years. A Volt with Bolt underpinnings would be just perfect, even with the slight range hit.


The Bolt EV actually has more passenger space than the Leaf, and fits taller people more comfortably. The Leaf has more hatch space, but not by much.


the numbers don't really support your claim. The hatch area is 50% larger in the LEAF (~24 to 16 cu ft) and the Bolt has better rear passenger space. The rest of the cars are nearly identical in every way.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun May 07, 2017 7:03 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:The Bolt EV has 94.4 cu ft of interior volume, while the Leaf has 92.4. So, the Bolt EV is bigger inside than the Leaf.


thinner seats made the difference :)
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun May 07, 2017 6:38 pm

These numbers mean very little. Go sit in the car yourself and decide. For me, that means putting my kids' carseats in the backseat and sitting between them. Or taking some of our standard luggage and putting it in the trunk. An empty suitcase works well, since it takes the same amount of space as when full. It's not hard to get a feel for how much usable space a car really has. In all the ways that count, the Bolt is smaller than the Leaf.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon May 08, 2017 10:55 am

We are leasing a Leaf and an e-Golf. I am 6'-4", my son is 6'-5"+ and my brother is 6'-6"+. We all have sat in the Bolt EV and we all fit much better in the Bolt EV than the Leaf. The rear leg position in the Leaf is the main problem - it is low to the floor. Our knees are up in our faces, and it is not comfortable.

The Leaf:

front headroom 41.2 in.
front legroom 42.1 in.
rear headroom 37.3 in.
rear legroom 33.3 in.

Chevy Bolt EV:
front headroom 39.7 in.
front legroom 41.6 in.
rear headroom 37.9 in.
rear legroom 36.5 in.

On paper is not equivalent to real life - the console matters and the seat height matters. If the 'U' shaped rim around the Bolt EV dash wasn't there, the Bolt EV would have even more room than it does. The Leaf has a more constrictive dash, and the Volt has a tunnel - which is pretty nasty for those of us with long legs.

For what it's worth, the BMW i3 has the most front seat room of any vehicle my brother has ever driven. He's been driving for over 30 years, and he has driven UPS trucks for a long time, too.

BMW i3:

front headroom 39.6 in.
front legroom 40.5 in.
rear headroom 37.2 in.
rear legroom 31.9 in.

I fit in in the backseat of the i3 much better than the Leaf - so numbers don't tell the whole story.

My family fit much more comfortably in the e-Golf than the Leaf. VW e-Golf:

front headroom 38.4 in.
front legroom 41.2 in.
rear headroom 38.1 in.
rear legroom 35.6 in.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon May 08, 2017 1:14 pm

Anecdotally...I had a chance to sit in one the other day and hit my head hard upon entering. Not as easy to get into or out of as a Leaf or Prius.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 09, 2017 10:47 am

The back seat? Yup, the top of the door is a bit lower than I expected; but I think it is something you would learn. The front was no problem, though.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 09, 2017 12:34 pm

NeilBlanchard wrote:The back seat? Yup, the top of the door is a bit lower than I expected; but I think it is something you would learn. The front was no problem, though.

I'm talking about the front seat. To be fair, I'm taller than the average guy at 6'2" but I have no problem on the Prius or Leaf.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue May 09, 2017 6:00 pm

Phatcat73 wrote:Had the opportunity to test drive an LT & Premier Bolt. I'm 6'6", 350lbs. Absolutely cannot fit in a Focus EV & Model S.

Hard to justify $40k on this vehicle and left me with the sense that heavy discounting is inbound.


Which is why you have to play the same game that everyone else does when it comes to the pricing on these cars. "Well, you know, I get $7500 off MSRP because of the tax credit, then I got this that and the other rebate, blah, blah, and in the end, I got the car for $12,000!!" Yes, I'm being a bit sarcastic there, but not too much ;)

I've been looking at these too and for me, the Leaf is already too expensive and by that measure, the Bolt is definitely outside my price range. I saw one dealer already trying to get $47K for one! :lol:

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