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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:54 pm

I don't have a quote yet on the car I drove, but the sticker price was marked down from $42k to $40k. That had better not be counting the NYS rebate! The current Leaf SV lease offered by Nissan seems to be $275 a month with $2k down, not counting the cost of Premium. So in NY I should be able to lease one with Premium for about $270 with $2k down. If the Bolt is $300 I'll lease that. If the Bolt is more like $400 I'll likely lease the 2017 Leaf - unhappily. Who would have thought an orange haired Twitter Troll would ruin our EV future?
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:21 am

Lease "deals" :shock:

777 down
247 a month * 35 = 8645
23,969 residual
33,391

And this is better than what I can get in WA??
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:27 am

LeftieBiker wrote:I don't have a quote yet on the car I drove, but the sticker price was marked down from $42k to $40k. That had better not be counting the NYS rebate! The current Leaf SV lease offered by Nissan seems to be $275 a month with $2k down, not counting the cost of Premium. So in NY I should be able to lease one with Premium for about $270 with $2k down. If the Bolt is $300 I'll lease that. If the Bolt is more like $400 I'll likely lease the 2017 Leaf - unhappily. Who would have thought an orange haired Twitter Troll would ruin our EV future?


There is a lot of market differences and your price is high for here. How does the current lease terms compare to say 4-5 months ago?

The Bolt leases around here are quite insane. I would only lease one to purchase at the end and the price is double the 2017 and guessing probably 50-75% higher than a 2018....
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:06 am

I drove my second Bolt a few days ago, this time an LT with the cloth seats. This time I could feel the seat pressing into thighs. By the end of this short test drive I was beginning to feel some discomfort from these seats. I could not imagine two hours sitting it them. Somewhat confusing as I had read the cloth might be more comfy with more padding. Could the seat issue be a car-by-car random issue? I just found this at:

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Chev ... discomfort

Only some vehicles have the problem?

Forum member jmatero sat in 12 different Bolt EVs (7 Premiers and 5 LT's with cloth seats) at Capitol Chevy in San Jose. After adjusting all of the seats to the same position, he noted differences in comfort. 4 of 7 Premium models and 2 of 5 LT models were comfortable, and the rest were painful. It also wasn't based on newer or older build dates, the bad seats were spread throughout all models and build dates. "In the cars where the seat was comfortable, the cushion barely or partly compressed. In the uncomfortable seats, the cushion fully compressed to the point where the plastic seat-side pushed into my thigh. In fact, you can feel the difference pressing on the cushion with your hands... it isn't subtle by any means: compresses with little forces vs compresses with lots of force."

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:13 am

About the seats, I can add I have sat in 5 different ones total. 3 were older 17's and 2 were newer. The newer ones were both good and softer, maybe I wrongly assumed they fixed it at some point if some of them from a point on are still uncomfortable? I know others have said this, but I know I could fix or adjust the seat, but I can't add 20 kw of batteries to a Leaf...

As we have been looking around here, upper midwest, Green Bay, Milwaukee, Madison, prices are typically about $2k off sticker and none of them have been throwing in the $7500 on the lease (never got to the rest of the lease deal becasue of that), which makes it not an option for us...
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 am

no seat fix from chevy that I am aware of but seems like there are several owner fixes out there.

I have yet to see an unbiased evaluation of these fixes though. but seems like it is likely not that tough to figure something out on your own to customize your needs.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:no seat fix from chevy that I am aware of but seems like there are several owner fixes out there.


Could be, but after sitting in them and walking across the floor to another one I can say they were drastically different in comfort and even in looking at them. The new or just in ones were much more "flat" or raised like normal in the center and the older ones were sunk really lower in the center part. It could just be luck of whatever material they grab that day which would seem really odd. The whole seat issue is so weird....
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:38 am

BrockWI wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:no seat fix from chevy that I am aware of but seems like there are several owner fixes out there.


Could be, but after sitting in them and walking across the floor to another one I can say they were drastically different in comfort and even in looking at them. The 18's were much more "flat" or raised like normal in the center and the 17's were sunk really lower in the center part. It could just be luck of whatever material they grab that day which would seem really odd. The whole seat issue is so weird....


considering the amount of press the issue has received, I would be surprised that Chevy did not fix it and also surprised they did not mention it in their press release but then again, that would hurt 2017 sales so yeah, if they fixed it, good.

I sat in 3 different 2017's and the seats were horrible in all of them. couldn't imagine having to drive somewhere for an hour like that but I was willing to fix it if I had to.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:13 pm

The issue where the seat presses on or "pinches" your left thigh is a too-long bolt running through the seat body and into the cushion. (I suspect that this is a case of the wrong bolt being randomly installed on the assembly line for the seat.) The issue with the seat feeling too hard and flat is inadequate foam padding. Those two can both be fixed. The problem not yet solved is the seat back being too hard and narrow for some people. The back cover can't easily be removed to add padding like the bottom cover.

I'm going back and forth with the salesman. Here's where we are:

Bolt Premiere. Silver (so no extra paint charge)

* Driver Confidence II

* DCFC

* Probably a few other minor options like cargo cover

Capitalized cost after discounts: $36660

$1000 down, $383 a month for 39 months.

10,000 mile per year lease

I don't have the residual or money factor yet, but the residual should be 55% and I'm guessing the MF is .005. If I can get the payment to $350, possibly with $2k down, then I may either order or lease a Cajun Red Premiere they have in stock. This is once I'm fairly sure the tax credit will be gone for 2018.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:29 pm

Final offer, to which I agreed in principal:

$36660

$2k down (not actually my money, so I'm willing to risk it.)

$356 a month for 39 months.

Residual about $24500.
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