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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:59 pm

I would take that deal. Although assuming the $7500 is through the end of the year who get that?
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:08 pm

GM keeps $5k and applies $2500 to the lease. (They also raise the residual by $5k and would like us to think that this is great.)

EDIT: oops! I see why you liked that deal. Look again - I fixed the typo. It's $356 a month.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:00 pm

Still not bad. By raising the residual by 5k do you mean they add 5k or reduce it. I could do the math but out running errands.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:09 pm

They raise it by $5k - it becomes $5000 more to buy the car. The GM fanboys won't admit that this is not great - they keep repeating that it saves money on the lease, and so is good for lessees. The amount saved was quoted to me once by one of them as being $300 for a typical lease. It reminds me of one of our old State Worker jokes:

"I was late getting in to work this morning so I'm going to make up for it by leaving early."
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:36 pm

BrockWI wrote:Still not bad. By raising the residual by 5k do you mean they add 5k or reduce it. I could do the math but out running errands.


The best way to determine the merits of the deal is to add it up

downpayment
monthly * 35 for 3 year lease, etc.
residual

That price is your "deal." I checked a few on N. Calif and found the one of the better ones that included chevy cash of $3300



$777 down
247 a month
$23K + residual

all that added to $33K plus. So take out that $3300 chevy cash your tax benefit is not very much.

There were other incentives included as well like dealer cash, etc but wasn't all that much.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:59 pm

When comparing leases you have to look at the total cost of the lease, over the lease period. Even when things like the Money factor are low, they can get that money right back with things like "documentation fee" or extended service contracts that don't help EV drivers a bit.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:24 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Final offer, to which I agreed in principal:

$36660

$2k down (not actually my money, so I'm willing to risk it.)

$356 a month for 39 months.

Residual about $24500.


so $40,384 total... that is about what I am seeing as well. how is down "not your money?"
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:20 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Final offer, to which I agreed in principal:

$36660

$2k down (not actually my money, so I'm willing to risk it.)

$356 a month for 39 months.

Residual about $24500.


so $40,384 total... that is about what I am seeing as well. how is down "not your money?"

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:41 pm

The NY EV rebate is applied to help get it down to $38660, before the $2k down. It is not "my" money because of the way my cooperative household works: I get allotted the same $2k down and $209 a month my housemate 's Prius PHEV cost to lease, along with the sales tax being paid. I'll be paying only the extra $147 a month above that out of my own pocket. I'd still rather get a 2018 Leaf...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:17 am

Autobild tested eight Euro-BEVs in a real-world winter range test, and the Bolt (Ampera) did quite poorly in terms of efficiency.

Suggests that A 2018 LEAF (not tested) as well as an Ioniq (as discussed previously) might well cover a long winter trip with recharges in less time than the Bolt, despite its much larger capacity pack.

...The German auto magazine Auto Bild decided to test the range of eight electric cars. With an outside temperature of just 5º C and the AC set to 21º C, all electric cars were submitted to the same 143 km route, which included a 43 km long highway ride at speeds up to 130 km/h...

Electric car

Range

Efficiency

Volkswagen e-up (18,7 kWh)

79 km

23,7 kWh/100 km

Smart ForTwo Electric Drive (17,6 kWh)

84 km

21 kWh/100 km

Nissan e-NV200 Evalia (24kWh)

101 km

23,8 kWh/100 km

Kia Soul EV (30 kWh)

167 km

18 kWh/100 km

Hyundai IONIQ Electric (28 kWh usable)

192 km

14,6 kWh/100 km

Volkswagen e-Golf (35,8 kWh)

208 km

17,2 kWh/100 km

Renault Zoe (41 kWh)

244 km

16,8 kWh/100 km

Opel Ampera-e (60 kWh)

273 km (170 miles)

22 kWh/100 km


http://pushevs.com/2017/12/09/auto-bild ... tric-cars/

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/acht-ele ... 47587.html

A driver posted the following charging results for an Ampera using a ~100 kW charger, suggesting max rate is in fact, in the ~55 kW range:

The charger showed the following values:
7% SOC 52.6kW
11% SOC 53.7kW
21% SOC 53.8kW
33% SOC 54.6kW
44% SOC 55.2kW
49% SOC 55.5kW

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