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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:27 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:The Bolt I test drove had about 25 miles on the GOM, and ended with about 22. Dealers really hate to recharge the things, it seems.


I would have had someone follow me, run it dead and return to dealership to advise them where to find it. hand them key and walk out.


Sure, and if I then had to lease a Bolt, I'm sure the dealership would have given me a great deal, and great service. Instead, I foolishly suggested that they charge it. Maybe next time....
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:54 am

jjeff wrote: I'd really really miss the %SOC meter though, maybe like Nissan they'll add it in later models.


Depending on the dash config (you can select from 3 different layouts) there's a bar that shows battery charge. For a hard %, you use can use the app on your phone. It works both over bluetooth or free OnStar (takes a while to update this way though) and shows you your battery as a %, estimate time to full charge, and can be configured to warn you if you are getting too far away from a charger and should stop and charge.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:10 am

DesertSprings wrote:Depending on the dash config (you can select from 3 different layouts) there's a bar that shows battery charge.

With subtle 5% graduations.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:46 pm

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'17 Bolt discounts from list on the East coast over $7k, with one Bolt now priced below $30k.

Seems like Bolt prices are pretty close to '18 LEAF prices now, so (until LEAF discounts show up) buyers will have an essentially same-price-decision between the longer-range Bolt, vs superior interior comfort and capacity and (IMO) exterior design, LEAF.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:27 pm

Bad seats with econobox design or crappy battery and shorter range, what would you choose? I think I'll head out to Del Taco.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:08 pm

Valdemar wrote:Bad seats with econobox design


Obvious not perfect for some, still the Bolt at least solves the range issue for many. But the key customer perception of what would result
in a volume BEV appeal versus an ICEV has not yet been marketed, as apparent from the Bolt sales of less than 30K volume for year one.
The M3 with its reservations, given the present lack of volume deliveries, is to be considered an anomaly.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:15 am

lorenfb wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Bad seats with econobox design


Obvious not perfect for some, still the Bolt at least solves the range issue for many. But the key customer perception of what would result
in a volume BEV appeal versus an ICEV has not yet been marketed, as apparent from the Bolt sales of less than 30K volume for year one.
The M3 with its reservations, given the present lack of volume deliveries, is to be considered an anomaly.


The Bolt sales were restricted by Chevy itself. Model 3 is definitely not an anomaly.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:19 am

Valdemar wrote:Bad seats with econobox design or crappy battery and shorter range, what would you choose? I think I'll head out to Del Taco.


You forgot to add 2005 level tech.

But range is what everyone thinks they need. Right now my options are open and my choice;

Wait a LONG time for a Tesla and pay a LOT more (although did receive an offer to jump the line)

Get a Bolt today and pay much more

Wait and get LEAF. It would appear the "big" Jan 23rd launch is going off with barely a fizzle. The availability is shockingly low compared to what I was expecting.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:28 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Bad seats with econobox design or crappy battery and shorter range, what would you choose? I think I'll head out to Del Taco.


You forgot to add 2005 level tech.

But range is what everyone thinks they need. Right now my options are open and my choice;

Wait a LONG time for a Tesla and pay a LOT more (although did receive an offer to jump the line)

Get a Bolt today and pay much more

Wait and get LEAF. It would appear the "big" Jan 23rd launch is going off with barely a fizzle. The availability is shockingly low compared to what I was expecting.


Wow, a lot of badmouthing from people who don't really know the car. This reads to me like the old Chevy-vs-Ford debates. Nothing but vocal fanboys on both sides. Maybe that's a good thing that EVs have reached this point. The market is maturing, even if the consumers are not.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:18 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Bad seats with econobox design or crappy battery and shorter range, what would you choose? I think I'll head out to Del Taco.


You forgot to add 2005 level tech.



So what! Many couldn't care less about having a high tech entry level BEV, i.e. for many it's the TCO that's key with EV features.
As mentioned before, the lack of not having reached the Bolt forecast of 30K in 2017 was not because of its lack of tech features,
seats, or exterior design, but the overall lack of a consumer appeal for a BEV at this point in time. To many automotive OEMs,
the first year sales of the Bolt are indicative of a lackluster entry level BEV market presently with marginal profitability.

As mentioned before, the M3 is an anomaly in that it is perceived as an entry level BEV to reservation holders, but in reality
reservation holders will be paying much more ($45K-$50K) than $35K to receive delivery, at least in 2018. Furthermore,
reservation holders perceive the M3 as a MS, but at a much lower cost while still acquiring a luxury vehicle with status
appeal. The way the M3 product entry has been perceived by consumers, i.e. reservation holders, results in its being an
anomaly.
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