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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:03 pm

My Leaf was under $10,000 used. I can't get a Bolt for under $28,000. Well, I guess I have found 2017 Bolts for almost that price, minus federal tax credit of $7,500, minus Colorado tax credit of $5,000 leaves me at around $17,000. But I can't even afford that! Maybe someday used prices will come down. Or I'll have found a solution for extending the range of my Leaf.

The range in the Bolt is awesome though. But you get what you pay for I guess. Plus I do haul adults in the rear seats. Sometimes all 5 seats with adults in them. And I'm 6'1".
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 11, 2018 3:44 pm

Via IEVS:
2019 Chevy Bolt Gets Minor Updates – No Range Improvement
https://insideevs.com/2019-chevy-bolt-gets-minor-updates-no-range-improvement/

I take issue with "Minor updates". GM will finally allow people who don't want leather seats to have the same safety features as those who do, as the 2019 will allow you to order Driver Confidence Package II on the LT, previously only available on the Premier:
Driver Confidence II Package: Low Speed Forward Automatic Braking, Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning, Forward Collision
Alert, Following Distance Indicator, Front Pedestrian Braking and
IntelliBeam automatic high beam assist.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat May 12, 2018 8:11 am

IssacZachary wrote:My Leaf was under $10,000 used. I can't get a Bolt for under $28,000. Well, I guess I have found 2017 Bolts for almost that price, minus federal tax credit of $7,500, minus Colorado tax credit of $5,000 leaves me at around $17,000. But I can't even afford that! Maybe someday used prices will come down. Or I'll have found a solution for extending the range of my Leaf.

The range in the Bolt is awesome though. But you get what you pay for I guess. Plus I do haul adults in the rear seats. Sometimes all 5 seats with adults in them. And I'm 6'1".


Did you find a 2017 with QC? Because that is the key to everything. A lot of people rationalize the additional range means no need for QC but that is something I simply find too alien to understand.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun May 13, 2018 5:58 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
2019 Chevy Bolt Gets Minor Updates – No Range Improvement
https://insideevs.com/2019-chevy-bolt-gets-minor-updates-no-range-improvement/

I take issue with "Minor updates". GM will finally allow people who don't want leather seats to have the same safety features as those who do, as the 2019 will allow you to order Driver Confidence Package II on the LT, previously only available on the Premier:
Driver Confidence II Package: Low Speed Forward Automatic Braking, Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning, Forward Collision
Alert, Following Distance Indicator, Front Pedestrian Braking and
IntelliBeam automatic high beam assist.
That is a trivial building issue that is just a procedure on the floor and in their computer which should have been available from day one. That is no upgrade. It is very doubtful that people did not buy the Bolt because of that.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun May 13, 2018 6:25 pm

I would have leased a Bolt if the LT had Surround View or the Premiere had cloth seating - and better seats! - available.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon May 14, 2018 4:25 pm

scottf200 wrote:
GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
2019 Chevy Bolt Gets Minor Updates – No Range Improvement
https://insideevs.com/2019-chevy-bolt-gets-minor-updates-no-range-improvement/

I take issue with "Minor updates". GM will finally allow people who don't want leather seats to have the same safety features as those who do, as the 2019 will allow you to order Driver Confidence Package II on the LT, previously only available on the Premier:
Driver Confidence II Package: Low Speed Forward Automatic Braking, Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning, Forward Collision
Alert, Following Distance Indicator, Front Pedestrian Braking and
IntelliBeam automatic high beam assist.
That is a trivial building issue that is just a procedure on the floor and in their computer which should have been available from day one. That is no upgrade. It is very doubtful that people did not buy the Bolt because of that.

I completely agree that it should have been offered across all trim lines from the start, as safety options shouldn't be bundled with comfort and convenience options. Unfortunately that's what most companies continue to do, owing to the high profits from the latter. While it's no upgrade to the car itself, it is an upgrade to the people who don't want to pay extra for a bunch of options they neither need or want, dropping the entry price for those they do want by several thousand dollars. Sometime in the next few years all cars will come standard with AEB (at least), but until then safety advances will continue to be available incrementally as an option, and every drop in their price is an upgrade. Other than that, about the only major things Chevy needs to upgrade (or at least have better quality control) are the seats, and within the next MY or two the QC rate, which is already below that of the Ionic and the upcoming Kona/Niro BEVs, the latter two in particular likely being the Bolt's direct competitors.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon May 14, 2018 5:15 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Did you find a 2017 with QC? Because that is the key to everything. A lot of people rationalize the additional range means no need for QC but that is something I simply find too alien to understand.

Good question! I didn't even think about it. Although I have DCQC capabilities on my Leaf it hasn't been all that useful seeing how I have to drive over 200 miles first in order to make it to a DCQC station. But a Bolt or Tesla would be a game changer. Even future planned DCQC stations are a bit too far apart for the Leaf, on a good summer day, with a 12 bar battery. :(
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:27 am

https://insideevs.com/motor-trend-gives ... hevy-bolt/ points to http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrole ... m-verdict/.

Haven't read the latter yet but their car is pretty much trouble-free after 14 months and 17K miles compared to Edmunds w/the problematic Model 3 16 weeks in at 5.5K miles: https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-3/2 ... -2018.html

Glad to hear the Bolt seems pretty reliable. It did reasonably well in CR in that dept and is amazingly good for a 1st model year (esp. brand new) GM product. Depending on what 2019 Leaf offers for its price, I might (shudder) go for a Bolt if '19 Leaf isn't up to snuff (e.g. too expensive, no battery thermal management, etc.)

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:44 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Did you find a 2017 with QC? Because that is the key to everything. A lot of people rationalize the additional range means no need for QC but that is something I simply find too alien to understand.

FOR YOU.

I have QC in my LEAF that I have never used. The closest DCQC is 250 miles away.
ChadeMo and CCS combined sum to to a total of TWO stations for the 125,000 square miles circle around my home.

Tesla, on the other hand ? No problem driving anywhere.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:17 am

SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Did you find a 2017 with QC? Because that is the key to everything. A lot of people rationalize the additional range means no need for QC but that is something I simply find too alien to understand.

FOR YOU.

I have QC in my LEAF that I have never used. The closest DCQC is 250 miles away.
ChadeMo and CCS combined sum to to a total of TWO stations for the 125,000 square miles circle around my home.

Tesla, on the other hand ? No problem driving anywhere.


So your counter to my "EV with QC a must" is an EV with QC?

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