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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:40 am

The reports I've read said the seats work well for small butts but are uncomfortable for big butts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTx5sqvVJ4

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:24 am

The challenge with the Bolt is that while it is a well engineered car, the platform that GM chose to use for it is the Gamma G2SC platform which is GMs global compact car platform.

This makes for a very tight interior, in fact the Bolt is three inches narrower door card to door card then the current LEAF (which is defined as mid-sized car) and may be even narrower than the 2018 LEAF.

If you are have a mid-westerner 95th percentile body, then you are going to be rubbing shoulders with your passenger. GM has tried to make up for the tight interior space by making the front seats thinner and narrower, but that is a real compromise in seating comfort. If you have a bean pole body, and are less that 5' 10' you will probably fit fine.

This lack of interior space combined with hefty pricing is probably why dealers that do have the Bolt have their lots full of unsold cars.

At one of our local Silicon Valley Chevy dealers, I found over 150 cars on their lot last week.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:23 pm

The reports I've read said the seats work well for small butts but are uncomfortable for big butts.


It has been determined (by people sitting in Multiple Bolts at dealer lots) that the seats vary considerably in comfort from car to car, even at the same trim level. It's not primarily an issue of body size, but of how well individual seats were put together.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:22 pm

OrientExpress wrote:This lack of interior space combined with hefty pricing is probably why dealers that do have the Bolt have their lots full of unsold cars.

Initially my wife liked Bolt. But when we did a test drive the short distance to the windshield unnerved her. I've seen people say it looks small on the outside and "big" on the inside - no idea what they are talking about.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:34 pm

evnow wrote: I've seen people say it looks small on the outside and "big" on the inside - no idea what they are talking about.


Me neither. I have sat in the driver's seat, passenger's seat, and rear seat. I wouldn't say it felt "big" from any of those perspectives. Maybe unnecessarily tall, though.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:07 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote: I've seen people say it looks small on the outside and "big" on the inside - no idea what they are talking about.


Me neither. I have sat in the driver's seat, passenger's seat, and rear seat. I wouldn't say it felt "big" from any of those perspectives. Maybe unnecessarily tall, though.


I have yet to see one in person but a look at specs of each tells me they are realistically the same size with Bolt tilted slightly towards passenger space and LEAF tilted slightly towards cargo space. If the Bolt is bigger, it could be more head room? Although I have heard it both ways. Either "the same" or "slightly more in the Bolt"

On the seat thing; they are not symmetrical. The side air bag section is not balanced with an opposing panel. Now some said it became unnoticeable after 15 mins of driving while others said it was something they could not ignore so very much a user preference. Size didn't seem to matter
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:38 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote: I've seen people say it looks small on the outside and "big" on the inside - no idea what they are talking about.


Me neither. I have sat in the driver's seat, passenger's seat, and rear seat. I wouldn't say it felt "big" from any of those perspectives. Maybe unnecessarily tall, though.


I have yet to see one in person but a look at specs of each tells me they are realistically the same size with Bolt tilted slightly towards passenger space and LEAF tilted slightly towards cargo space. If the Bolt is bigger, it could be more head room? Although I have heard it both ways. Either "the same" or "slightly more in the Bolt"

On the seat thing; they are not symmetrical. The side air bag section is not balanced with an opposing panel. Now some said it became unnoticeable after 15 mins of driving while others said it was something they could not ignore so very much a user preference. Size didn't seem to matter


Are you implying that the Leaf is a "big" car? Because by American standards it is not. The only dimension in which these cars are "big" is vertical. And unless you are 6+ feet tall, that doesn't make a bit of difference in usable space. All it does is make the car feel larger. (Yes, I recognize that a significant portion of the population IS 6+ feet tall, but for the rest of us, i.e. the majority, the extra height doesn't matter).

Regarding the seats, I definitely could feel pressure points. It didn't bother me but I understand how it could bother some. Fitment is very subjective. Bottom line is, you should never buy any car without having sat in and driven it first.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:48 am

In the US the the EPA classifies the LEAF as a mid-sized car, and the Bolt is classified as a compact station wagon.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:23 am

OrientExpress wrote:This makes for a very tight interior, in fact the Bolt is three inches narrower door card to door card then the current LEAF (which is defined as mid-sized car) and may be even narrower than the 2018 LEAF.

So the 2018 Leaf is going to be narrower than the current Leaf???
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:34 am

Stoaty wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:This makes for a very tight interior, in fact the Bolt is three inches narrower door card to door card then the current LEAF (which is defined as mid-sized car) and may be even narrower than the 2018 LEAF.

So the 2018 Leaf is going to be narrower than the current Leaf???


To make it bigger and also more efficient that is the only way to go.

That said I really don't understand the small car comments. I drive an 81 comutacar that's a small car.

My fathers 4' wide kei car is plenty roomy enough for 2 adults, certainly not cheek to cheek

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