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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:13 am

My family will be buying a Bolt EV in about a month. I am 6'-4" 227 pounds 36" inseam, and my son is 6'-6" about 250 pounds and also 36" inseam. My brother is almost 6'-7" about 265 pounds, and a 38" inseam - and ALL THREE of us fit at the same time in any seat in the Bolt EV. And yes, a fourth person could also fit.

My spouse has knee problems, and she is very comfortable in the Bolt. The backseat of the Leaf is quite uncomfortable for us, because the seat is too low to the floor. We fit much better in our e-Golf.


If you say so, I believe you. My experience was much different though.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:18 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:My family will be buying a Bolt EV in about a month. I am 6'-4" 227 pounds 36" inseam, and my son is 6'-6" about 250 pounds and also 36" inseam. My brother is almost 6'-7" about 265 pounds, and a 38" inseam - and ALL THREE of us fit at the same time in any seat in the Bolt EV. And yes, a fourth person could also fit.

My spouse has knee problems, and she is very comfortable in the Bolt. The backseat of the Leaf is quite uncomfortable for us, because the seat is too low to the floor. We fit much better in our e-Golf.

I'm quite a bit shorter - 5'11", 32" inseam; but I had no issues with the Bolt's front seat. In the back seat, I had plenty of headroom but the "seat bottom" only extended about halfway along my thighs. It was more than fine for a short ride but I don't think I would want to be a back seat passenger for a true 200+ mile road trip.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:33 pm

jhm614 wrote:
NeilBlanchard wrote:My family will be buying a Bolt EV in about a month. I am 6'-4" 227 pounds 36" inseam, and my son is 6'-6" about 250 pounds and also 36" inseam. My brother is almost 6'-7" about 265 pounds, and a 38" inseam - and ALL THREE of us fit at the same time in any seat in the Bolt EV. And yes, a fourth person could also fit.

My spouse has knee problems, and she is very comfortable in the Bolt. The backseat of the Leaf is quite uncomfortable for us, because the seat is too low to the floor. We fit much better in our e-Golf.

I'm quite a bit shorter - 5'11", 32" inseam; but I had no issues with the Bolt's front seat. In the back seat, I had plenty of headroom but the "seat bottom" only extended about halfway along my thighs. It was more than fine for a short ride but I don't think I would want to be a back seat passenger for a true 200+ mile road trip.

That's an issue I've had with most Japanese cars in the front seat. Those of us of European ancestry are typically still taller than the average Japanese, although they've closed a lot of the height gap since WW2, and even with the seat all the way back I can't stretch my legs out enough to lower my thighs so that all of them are supported on the seat bottom, even if it's otherwise long enough (often isn't). This normally isn't a problem with European and American-designed cars, like the e-Golf where I have to slide the seat forward a couple of inches from the aft stop.

Just another confirmation that the Bolt's primary design was as an urban car, where ability to enter and exit the back easily takes precedence over thigh support for longer drives.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:48 am

so the only thing confirmed after months of back and forth (mostly critiquing other peoples writing abilities) is that no manufacturer has the perfect car.

Got it!

Thanks all
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:57 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:so the only thing confirmed after months of back and forth (mostly critiquing other peoples writing abilities) is that no manufacturer has the perfect car.

Got it!

Thanks all

Glad we were able to clear that up for you :lol:
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:35 pm

Took a Bolt LT for a test drive today and I think it'll do just fine. The seat was only slightly restrictive and I think it should be fine over time, but I'll try a few more rides to be sure. The dealer offers 2 day test drives.

My 2012 SL had a really good seat. I remember, when I changed to the 2015 SV, that the seat was definitely less comfortable, kind of restrictive too. But now I have to think about it to notice it.

After 5 years of 24 kWh Leafs a 60 kWh car is going to be a breeze. Just going to Boston and back on the Pike at 85 mph, without needing to charge, is going to be a luxury.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:22 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Took a Bolt LT for a test drive today and I think it'll do just fine. The seat was only slightly restrictive and I think it should be fine over time, but I'll try a few more rides to be sure. The dealer offers 2 day test drives.

My 2012 SL had a really good seat. I remember, when I changed to the 2015 SV, that the seat was definitely less comfortable, kind of restrictive too. But now I have to think about it to notice it.

After 5 years of 24 kWh Leafs a 60 kWh car is going to be a breeze. Just going to Boston and back on the Pike at 85 mph, without needing to charge, is going to be a luxury.


My household is a Leaf/Bolt household, and we use the Leaf for all short range trips/trips where we can get a charge if needed for mid range trips. The Bolt has taken us on round trips of 300+ miles (we can go 250ish miles before real range anxiety sets in), and we definitely enjoy not stopping for gas as part of our daily routine. As for driving my wife's Bolt, I love driving it, and driving in L feels more natural than driving the Leaf...

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:56 am

Discounts on Bolts keep growing...along with those on almost every BEV/PHEV surveyed.

Wonder if GM will cut Bolt prices even further, or just settle for lower sales, after 2018 LEAFs hit the Dealers?

...Some statistics from August data:
Average Bolt discount is $3960. Was $3315 in July.
Average Volt discount is $5006. Was $4283 in July.
Average C-Max Energi discount is $5322. Was $5050 in July.
Average Fusion Energi discount is $8006. Was $6191 in July...

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:34 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Discounts on Bolts keep growing...along with those on almost every BEV/PHEV surveyed.

Wonder if GM will cut Bolt prices even further, or just settle for lower sales, after 2018 LEAFs hit the Dealers?

...Some statistics from August data:
Average Bolt discount is $3960. Was $3315 in July.
Average Volt discount is $5006. Was $4283 in July.
Average C-Max Energi discount is $5322. Was $5050 in July.
Average Fusion Energi discount is $8006. Was $6191 in July...

http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2017/02/curr ... d-evs.html


Chevy might not have to deepen the discount. Remember, the current Leaf discount is right around 10K. I can't imagine that the new Leaf will have that deep of a discount right off the bat...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:35 am

jhm614 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:Discounts on Bolts keep growing...along with those on almost every BEV/PHEV surveyed.

Wonder if GM will cut Bolt prices even further, or just settle for lower sales, after 2018 LEAFs hit the Dealers?

...Some statistics from August data:
Average Bolt discount is $3960. Was $3315 in July.
Average Volt discount is $5006. Was $4283 in July.
Average C-Max Energi discount is $5322. Was $5050 in July.
Average Fusion Energi discount is $8006. Was $6191 in July...

http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2017/02/curr ... d-evs.html


Chevy might not have to deepen the discount. Remember, the current Leaf discount is right around 10K. I can't imagine that the new Leaf will have that deep of a discount right off the bat...


I am sure it won't either but the reality is the 2017 LEAF was discounted because in today's market, that was pretty close to its value. The 2018 LEAF provides MUCH more value so I would hope for $3000 (plus loyalty) give or take. That still puts an SV with tech at $23-$24,000 after incentives which would be a pretty good price
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