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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:55 pm

Per IEVS, Feb. Bolt sales dropped to 952 (#5), below the LEAF (1,037; #4). Volt and Prime were #1 (1,820) and #3 (1,362). Model S is #2 (est. 1,750).
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:13 pm

Hey Sparky!

Yeah, the re-focusing on the rear-view monitor is interesting. Obviously an individual thing that'll depend somewhat on one's own ocular peculiarities, and we haven't driven it long enough to know if it'll become reflexive over time. My lovely better half says she needs to tilt her head up and look through the lower part of her blended bifocals to be able to focus it at all. She plans to order sunglasses with upper quadrants that have a prescription designed for close vision just for this purpose. But she also says that this is her favorite feature of the car. Myself, I think I'll just get used to it. I did try it at night and wound up switching to the regular rear view mirror, which is quite good and is self-dimming. The monitor view at night was muddy and lacked definition.

No, we plan to hang on to both of our, count-em, two (2) Model 3 reservations. We will likely use one for a Model 3 to replace my BMW i3 when its lease ends mid-April 2018. The other might go to my son or to a friend (I realize they aren't transferable, but I could buy the car and re-sell it.)

As for the PV covering the fully electric driving, nope. Up to now, driving one EV, we were under-generating by between 1,000 and 2,000 kWh per year but never accruing an actual bill by end of net metering year because of the magic of TOU rates and night time charging. Driving two EVs, I expect we will actually have to start paying some kind of an electric bill for the first time in 10 years. Imagine that!

Hope to see you at a meetup sometime soon. The Bolt will be at the next two in March, at least.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:26 pm

Yo Sparky, I just drove the Bolt again for a short jaunt and I found myself automatically tilting my head up to use the lower (reading) portion of my progressive lenses when I looked in that monitor mirror. Suddenly, I had no issue adjusting my eyes from the road to the mirror and back. Problem solved for me, though as I recall, you don't wear glasses, right? You might need a pair of reading glasses if you get a Bolt and drive it often.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:20 am

GRA wrote:Per IEVS, Feb. Bolt sales dropped to 952 (#5), below the LEAF (1,037; #4). Volt and Prime were #1 (1,820) and #3 (1,362). Model S is #2 (est. 1,750).


At half price, the LEAF is essentially selling for what its worth so sales jump is not surprising. they would have sold more if they had them to sell.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:12 am

No surprise that a recent report of a Bolt Freeway trip from San Jose to Pasadena shows just how inefficient, slow, and expensive this trip is is in a Bolt using existing infrastructure.

Chevy Bolt EV: 800-mile trip in 238-mile electric car shows challenges remain

...had to visit Cal Tech in Pasadena, about 340 miles from our home in San Jose, California. In a gasoline car, that’s about a 5-hour drive, mostly down Interstate 5...

I'd need to take the somewhat longer route along Highway 101, because I-5 had no Bolt-compatible fast chargers (using the CCS connector) along our path...

The one-way distance rose to 380 miles, and because we had to pass through small cities, the trip would add at least 45 more minutes of travel time than if I had been driving I-5 in a gasoline car...

...With my little lead foot taking us down the freeway at an average of 80 mph, we got nowhere near the 238-mile rated range. After 103 miles, we showed only 70 miles of remaining range...

Another learning point is that, in general, the EVgo stations seemed to charge at a faster rate than the ChargePoint CCS fast-charging sites.

The EVgo chargers seemed to vary in rate, depending on what charge level the car could accept, while the ChargePoint sites charged at 21.7 kilowatts—well below the Bolt EV's rated capability of 80 kw.

We charged for about an hour and a half while we ate dinner in Ventura. That brought us back up to about 80 percent and got us to our hotel in Pasadena at 9 pm, with about 28 miles left. Hooray! We had made it.

After 12 hours on the road, I was exhausted...

Our trip back took 11.5 hours with all the charging stops. The total charging cost was $88.00.

Comparing this to a 5-hour trip in a gasoline car along Interstate 5 (or 6 hours via Highway 101), it becomes hard to justify the extra time...

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ges-remain


edatoakrun wrote:...the Ioniq's superior efficiency and (perhaps) higher charge rate as shown above means it should actually be a fairly close contest between it and a Bolt on a long freeway trip, despite the Bolt having more than twice the Ioniq's available battery capacity.

For example, I would expect an Ioniq driven from L.A to S.F (at the unofficial speed limit) could get there within ~ a half-hour of the time it took for a Bolt, and could even pass the bolt on a longer trip.

Both BEVs would be much slower than any ICEVs on any long trip, of course.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:29 am

edatoakrun wrote:No surprise that a recent report of a Bolt Freeway trip from San Jose to Pasadena shows just how inefficient, slow, and expensive this trip is is in a Bolt using existing infrastructure.


As I remarked elsewhere, a hotel with charging stations would have made this trip a lot more pleasant.

Overnight L2 is a wonder.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:00 am

edatoakrun wrote:No surprise that a recent report of a Bolt Freeway trip from San Jose to Pasadena shows just how inefficient, slow, and expensive this trip is is in a Bolt using existing infrastructure.

Chevy Bolt EV: 800-mile trip in 238-mile electric car shows challenges remain

...had to visit Cal Tech in Pasadena, about 340 miles from our home in San Jose, California. In a gasoline car, that’s about a 5-hour drive, mostly down Interstate 5...

I'd need to take the somewhat longer route along Highway 101, because I-5 had no Bolt-compatible fast chargers (using the CCS connector) along our path...

The one-way distance rose to 380 miles, and because we had to pass through small cities, the trip would add at least 45 more minutes of travel time than if I had been driving I-5 in a gasoline car...

...With my little lead foot taking us down the freeway at an average of 80 mph, we got nowhere near the 238-mile rated range. After 103 miles, we showed only 70 miles of remaining range...

Another learning point is that, in general, the EVgo stations seemed to charge at a faster rate than the ChargePoint CCS fast-charging sites.

The EVgo chargers seemed to vary in rate, depending on what charge level the car could accept, while the ChargePoint sites charged at 21.7 kilowatts—well below the Bolt EV's rated capability of 80 kw.

We charged for about an hour and a half while we ate dinner in Ventura. That brought us back up to about 80 percent and got us to our hotel in Pasadena at 9 pm, with about 28 miles left. Hooray! We had made it.

After 12 hours on the road, I was exhausted...

Our trip back took 11.5 hours with all the charging stops. The total charging cost was $88.00.

Comparing this to a 5-hour trip in a gasoline car along Interstate 5 (or 6 hours via Highway 101), it becomes hard to justify the extra time...

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ges-remain


edatoakrun wrote:...the Ioniq's superior efficiency and (perhaps) higher charge rate as shown above means it should actually be a fairly close contest between it and a Bolt on a long freeway trip, despite the Bolt having more than twice the Ioniq's available battery capacity.

For example, I would expect an Ioniq driven from L.A to S.F (at the unofficial speed limit) could get there within ~ a half-hour of the time it took for a Bolt, and could even pass the bolt on a longer trip.

Both BEVs would be much slower than any ICEVs on any long trip, of course.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21136&start=100


Full Context:

We left at 9 am with a full charge, headed for a 1 pm appointment at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo. Based on my previous driving style, the Bolt EV told us we had 185 miles of range.


- Multiple trip visits -

As it turned out, we ended up stopping in both King City and Paso Robles for quick top-ups and bathroom breaks.


With my little lead foot taking us down the freeway at an average of 80 mph, we got nowhere near the 238-mile rated range. After 103 miles, we showed only 70 miles of remaining range.


To be expected from anyone with basic BEV knowledge, i.e. driving @ 80!

We also stopped at the Chevy dealer in San Luis Obispo, with 24 miles left, because my cellphone wasn’t charging properly on the car’s USB ports


- More wasted time -

After charging for a total of just under 7 hours, we seemed to have about an 80-percent charge with an estimated range of 142 miles—and it was time to tackle our drive home, reversing the route we had taken to get down to Southern California.


- At Psadena -

This time, we passed Ventura and made it to La Cumber Plaza in Santa Barbara a little after 5 pm (right before Highway 154 would take us over the high pass). We charged at an EVgo fast charger for 1 hour, giving us about 170 miles. I definitely got more screams about using up our charge as we went over the pass.
Giving up on San Luis Obispo, we drove on to Paso Robles and stopped at a ChargePoint at Cool Hand Luke’s, a local steakhouse. We pulled in sometime after 9:30 pm. We had already eaten so we watched a movie knowing we needed about 2 hours worth of charge to get us to our next stop.


- Stupid route planning to take 154 (over mountains) with a BEV because of a about 15 mile short bypass of SB -

We did end up stopping for yet another top off in King City, but that was more for a bathroom break than a charge. We put a 10-minute charge in King City and that got us to Gilroy with 35 miles left. But it was 34 miles to home so we weren’t going to push it. We did our last half-hour charge in Gilroy at an EVgo station, and finally arrived home in San Jose at 2:45 am with 34 miles left on the car’s dashboard display.
Our trip back took 11.5 hours with all the charging stops. The total charging cost was $88.00.


Bottom Line: A joke of a representative NoCal to Socal and back trip in a 200+ mile BEV.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:55 am

The only way to go farther on a charge - is to s l o o o o w down. Driving 80MPH is reckless abandonment of any hope of going 380 miles on just one charge.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:57 pm

lorenfb wrote:Bottom Line: A joke of a representative NoCal to Socal and back trip in a 200+ mile BEV.


Sure. To you, me, and anyone else who frequents this forum. But it is a much better representation of a trip by a non-BEV-enthusiast. The so-called "mainstream" consumer which GM hopes to capture with the Bolt.

As WetEV said, her biggest mistake was not booking a hotel with an L2 charger. If she had, she would have started the return trip with a full charge. What a difference that would have made!
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:50 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:As WetEV said, her biggest mistake was not booking a hotel with an L2 charger.


Thanks. For example, she might have stayed at one of these,

http://www.comfortinnnearoldtownpasadena.com/

Has two ChargePoint stations in the parking lot.

or

http://www3.hilton.com/en/hotels/califo ... index.html

Has two Clipper Creek 30A, must use valet parking, an extra $2 plus tip.


There are more, not all hotels have them. Call them, if a hotel has 10 empty rooms and 10 daily calls of "do you have electric car charging"? followed by "no", then the management of the hotel might figure out that five or so L2 stations might reduce the vacancy rate...
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