webeleafowners
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:37 pm

arnis wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:I kinda knew the boly would come In at least 10 grand more than the leaf. We decided on the leaf over the bolt because.

1. Not proven yet. Get the bugs out fur a couple years. Leaf is pretty reliable.
2. Didn't actually like what saw.
3. Price. Wow. Extra range is useless to us so not worth any extra money.
4. It's a Chevy so.....


Kinda true 1-4. To be honest 2011 2012 Leafs also were not good enough.
On the other hand 30kWh version that costs almost as much as 2011 models, looks almost identical, but much much better.
Mostly inside. Heat pump, better battery. Better interior options.

As a car that is 5 years younger than Leaf, Bolt is not good enough. It would be in 2014.

Also CCS should be much less available for now.


Other than friends who have a 2012 we don't really know how much the leaf has changed between 2012 and our 2016. We certainly like the increased range of ours over theirs as it gives us about a 40 percent leeway over the range we need compared to what we have. It gives us some room for degradation over the next 7 to 10 years we will have the car. Having said that, maybe a result of the climate we live in in Canada, our friends have seen very little degradation in their 2012. They still have 12 bars and it still serves their needs although he says he sees a little less range at the end of the day in the winter than he used to. They use it as a commuter and put on about 11,000 KM per year. It has been to the dealer twice in that time. He pretty much treats it like an appliance.

I would be interested in seeing a list of improvements from the original 2011 model year to our 2016 SV 30.

We are currently in the US for a couple more months so we had a chance to see the bolt a couple times. I still haven't seen one with fast charge and the sales guy didn't know what I as talking about so couldn't say how much they would cost extra. The closest dealer sold 3 in the same day but I think they were probably pre-paid. He mentioned the only complaint the one customer had was highway noise at freeway speed. Anybody hear this or is it just because it is more obvious as there is no engine noise. We notice this on our smart ED. He said their sticker price was 37ish without fast charge.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:44 pm

The SAE Combo fast charge option is $750 for the Bolt in the US.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:50 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:You can lease an LT with no options (including the nicer colors) for $2500 down and about $305 a month, plus tax. Sound any better? There are also a couple more reviews of the seats, and it's becoming clear that GM wanted to limit the Bolt's appeal to small, fit people with rock hard butt muscles. A preference for pain while driving will also be a plus.


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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:52 pm

webeleafowners wrote:I kinda knew the boly would come In at least 10 grand more than the leaf. We decided on the leaf over the bolt because.

1. Not proven yet. Get the bugs out fur a couple years. Leaf is pretty reliable.
2. Didn't actually like what saw.
3. Price. Wow. Extra range is useless to us so not worth any extra money.
4. It's a Chevy so.....


if it was $10,000 more than my LEAF, I would have jumped all over it!!

but in reality; doing lease to purchase, try OVER $20,000 more!
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:03 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:I kinda knew the boly would come In at least 10 grand more than the leaf. We decided on the leaf over the bolt because.

1. Not proven yet. Get the bugs out fur a couple years. Leaf is pretty reliable.
2. Didn't actually like what saw.
3. Price. Wow. Extra range is useless to us so not worth any extra money.
4. It's a Chevy so.....


if it was $10,000 more than my LEAF, I would have jumped all over it!!

but in reality; doing lease to purchase, try OVER $20,000 more!


Everybody has different needs and depending on requirements range can be important. For us we wouldn't spend even a few grand more on a Bolt, but like I said, its a chevy so........
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:43 pm

webeleafowners wrote:He mentioned the only complaint the one customer had was highway noise at freeway speed. Anybody hear this or is it just because it is more obvious as there is no engine noise. We notice this on our smart ED.

There is an individual in the Bolt forum who claims he traded up from a Leaf to a Bolt and that the Bolt was much louder in the highway than the Leaf. FWIW.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:50 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:He mentioned the only complaint the one customer had was highway noise at freeway speed. Anybody hear this or is it just because it is more obvious as there is no engine noise. We notice this on our smart ED.

There is an individual in the Bolt forum who claims he traded up from a Leaf to a Bolt and that the Bolt was much louder in the highway than the Leaf. FWIW.


So that is now the third time I have seen reference to that. Hope to have a test drive before we head back to Canada but they are not expecting any for awhile. I haven't driven the Soul EV yet. Mosts of the rest I have driven, Ford, VW, both Teslas. (Love the S). So far the most fun is our smart ED convertible. The nicest EV (we can afford) and the most practical for us is of course our leaf. :)
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:01 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:You can lease an LT with no options (including the nicer colors) for $2500 down and about $305 a month, plus tax. Sound any better? There are also a couple more reviews of the seats, and it's becoming clear that GM wanted to limit the Bolt's appeal to small, fit people with rock hard butt muscles. A preference for pain while driving will also be a plus.


no you cant



That was one offer in December, in CA. I'm sure they only get worse from there.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:14 am

EVDRIVER wrote:The regen off pedal is average and there is a plastic cheap feeling paddle on the back of the steering wheel that allows for much more regen, however it is on/off and seems as a very crude implementation that will put off many users.


Sounds like the gen2 Volt. Cheap plastic, binary operation... That being said I have grown rather fond of it. Especially having any regen at full SOC is nice. The binary operation usually leads to either: 1. Applying regen too late and having to press brake pedal eventually to come to a complete stop in time.. Or 2. Slowing partially (say 50mph to 15mph), coasting, then applying more regen to come to a near stop. To get from 2-3mph to complete stop you need the brake pedal. This brake-coast-brake operation isn't very smooth and might feel odd to my passengers, but I've kind of gotten used to it. I fear if I get in another car I'll instinctively reach behind the wheel before touching the brake when coming to a stop.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:13 am

report from new Bolt owner that dealership sent him off with 20% SOC. he had to go straight to a CCS to get enough juice to get home...

Yeah, I was thinking about dumping the gasser and getting a Bolt but looks like that won't be happening for at least a year
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