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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:39 pm

Anyone out there with a not-so-short memory of the Tesla model s production ramp?

"The first ten customers received their cars at the Fremont factory on June 22, 2012 at the official launch. Production grew from 15–20 cars completed/week in August 2012 to about 1,000 cars per week in 2015"

So two months in they were only making 15-20 cars per week. I'm sure there are folks out there with more detailed counts, but I recall a verrrry slowly increasing production rate, not to mention tons of issues with the early units.

How does the bolt stack up against that?
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:39 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Anyone out there with a not-so-short memory of the Tesla model s production ramp?

"The first ten customers received their cars at the Fremont factory on June 22, 2012 at the official launch. Production grew from 15–20 cars completed/week in August 2012 to about 1,000 cars per week in 2015"

So two months in they were only making 15-20 cars per week. I'm sure there are folks out there with more detailed counts, but I recall a verrrry slowly increasing production rate, not to mention tons of issues with the early units.

How does the bolt stack up against that?


how can you compare the two?

on the one hand, we have a company with its first major volume product against a company that has been doing it over a century...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:20 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:how can you compare the two?

Shouldn't be too hard, just compare the numbers of each car produced in the corresponding months following the start of manufacturing :lol:
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:00 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:how can you compare the two?

Shouldn't be too hard, just compare the numbers of each car produced in the corresponding months following the start of manufacturing :lol:


You missed the most important part of Dave's post. Probably intentionally.

DaveinOlyWA wrote:on the one hand, we have a company with its first major volume product against a company that has been doing it over a century...


I remember those days. Elon Musk was said to be sleeping on the production floor, personally inspecting each and every car that went out the door. That sort of thing hasn't happened at GM for 100 years.

GM knows how to build cars. Tesla is still learning.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:54 pm

GM knows how to build cars. Tesla is still learning.


That depends on how you define "build cars."
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:55 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
GM knows how to build cars. Tesla is still learning.


That depends on how you define "build cars."


he didn't say they fabricated all the pieces... :)
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:45 pm

From all of the comments the Bolt is noisy and cheaply made. It does have extended range. The short range of my eGolf works for my retiree needs and the car is built much better. Range is not everything Some may need the added range but for me the first generation is fine.

At the time I was happy with my Leaf's but now there is a much wider choice. If I needed more range and a Tesla S was not an option I might consider a Bolt. Who knows, By the time my eGolf lease expires the Tesla 3 might be a reality.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:39 am

well so far, color me impressed with the rollout so far for the limited 2 states they are in right now. I guess it remains to be seen if Chevy is as motivated when they hit the non CARB states. Prices are high but so was the first run of everything else. I guess we shall see how things shake out.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:40 am

GlennD wrote:From all of the comments the Bolt is noisy and cheaply made. It does have extended range. The short range of my eGolf works for my retiree needs and the car is built much better. Range is not everything Some may need the added range but for me the first generation is fine.

At the time I was happy with my Leaf's but now there is a much wider choice. If I needed more range and a Tesla S was not an option I might consider a Bolt. Who knows, By the time my eGolf lease expires the Tesla 3 might be a reality.


Who knows, by the time your eGolf lease is up, you may almost be able to pick up a VW I.D. hatchback. I assume it will have similar build quality to the eGolf. They are saying 2020, so maybe you'd need a 2-year lease to bridge the gap.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:49 am

GlennD wrote:From all of the comments the Bolt is noisy and cheaply made.

Maybe another one of their upcoming Ev models will improve on that.
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