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Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 27 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:22 pm

In case there isn't already one: http://www.hyundainews.com/us/en/media/ ... tric-range" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:26 am

I tweaked the subject of the thread - some quick facts on the Sonata PHEV:

  • On sale later this year
  • 22 EV miles
  • 50 kW motor
  • 2 1/2 hour L2 recharge time
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:16 am

Given that Hyundai/Kia had to pay a huge fine recently for exaggerating fuel economy numbers, I wonder if the range number is similarly optimistic...
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:37 am

Only available in compliance states. Battery much better laid out then Ford's plug ins. You can see it at end of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1_DbztKEo

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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:38 pm

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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Fri May 22, 2015 6:35 am

An updated article...

http://www.hybridcars.com/2016-hyundai- ... benchmark/

Now they are quoting 24 mile AER and the author said they got 28 on their test drive. GM better watch out, these guys are closing the gap with the Volt with a substantially roomier vehicle.

U.S. EPA fuel numbers are not in yet, but Hyundai estimates 24 miles range and this we exceeded by over four miles without difficulty on the road this week. Other information about our drive in Southern California is “embargoed” by Hyundai, but this data point we were granted permission to publish ahead of a media blackout on drive impressions in effect until next Tuesday.

Our all-electric suburban trip of 28.4 miles with HVAC on and up to 55 mph at brief points split the gap between the highest-rated blended PHEV, the 19-mile-rated Ford Fusion Energi, and the first-generation 38-mile extended-range Chevy Volt. In speaking with another publication’s driver, he got over 27 miles on the same course, so we don’t believe this was a fluke.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Fri May 22, 2015 6:51 am

It was at the Detroit show and I fell in love with it! The interior was really nice, felt very well built and was planned out well. The trunk was very usable for a plug in and trumps the fusion. That had been my previous favourite electric and would have bought one over my old ICE optima if the trunk had been big enough. Still not enough AER for me but for someone who does less than what's quoted I think it's nicer than any of the other choices and much roomier than the volt!!! Although no one got to sit in the new volt at the show.
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Fri May 22, 2015 7:11 am

minispeed wrote:Still not enough AER for me but for someone who does less than what's quoted I think it's nicer than any of the other choices and much roomier than the volt!!!

I agree GM is more in tune with the minimum AER people will find useful and satisfying, but they really should be smarter when it comes to the size and form factor of the car just by looking at their own market segment stats.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Fri May 22, 2015 8:03 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
minispeed wrote:Still not enough AER for me but for someone who does less than what's quoted I think it's nicer than any of the other choices and much roomier than the volt!!!

I agree GM is more in tune with the minimum AER people will find useful and satisfying, but they really should be smarter when it comes to the size and form factor of the car just by looking at their own market segment stats.



Well the old volt wasn't even enough for me, the new one is close. I need 55 miles cold. I could live with just 5 miles of ICE driving everyday though.

The auto market is way too complex to single out one thing though. The volt was too small for me in the back seat and many buyers say they passed because of only 4 seats. If I was willing to drive 17 ICE miles a day in a volt I would prefer to drive 30ish in the Sonata since it would serve the family better. If they gave the Sonata more batteries and thus had a trunk the size of the fusion it might go the same AER as the volt but then I'd buy a volt because I need more trunk space and I'd live with the smaller back seat.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata PHEV - 22 EV miles, on sale later 2015

Fri May 22, 2015 4:39 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
minispeed wrote:Still not enough AER for me but for someone who does less than what's quoted I think it's nicer than any of the other choices and much roomier than the volt!!!

I agree GM is more in tune with the minimum AER people will find useful and satisfying, but they really should be smarter when it comes to the size and form factor of the car just by looking at their own market segment stats.
There's a variety of minimum AERs that are 'useful and satisfying'. I'd say that the PiP's six miles continuous (with care) is too short to be useful for most people, but I believe that 20-25 miles is a good minimum, as it can be fully charged overnight on L1, which is all most renters have, will cover a considerable % of commutes, and at least allow most if not all urban and stop-and-go driving to be electric, which is where the best efficiency and most pollution reductions are. Given workplace L1 also, it will cover 80% or so.

The primary need to make PHEVs (and BEVs) mainstream is to get the prices down, and the way to do that at the moment is with the smallest battery that large numbers of people find useful. This also boosts the range when running on the ICE, and shouldn't encroach on interior room much if at all, if done right (i.e. like VW, not the Energis). The ability to use a standard platform with a variety of power trains will also help cut the costs.
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