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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:40 pm

GRA wrote:The Prime undoubtedly also benefits from the general opinion that it's better-looking than the regular Prius and also cheaper, especially in California.

+ 1 on that! The Prime is just quirky, like our older Leafs, the regular Prius is downright ugly IMO! If I were in the market to replace our '07 Prius it would be a Prime or nothing at all, and that would be without a state credit, as mine has none :(
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:59 am

Through February, Toyota's Prius Prime is being outsold by the Nissan LEAF by a factor of 3:1:
EV Sales wrote:The first two months of 2018 saw this market jump into record levels (1.4% Market share, up from 1.1% last year), an amazing feat when one considers that the mainstream market is down 2% this year.

This is all thanks to the introduction of the new Nissan Leaf, that has been getting regular Top 30 appearances in the mainstream market, thanks to record performances, like the 3.720 registrations of last February.

This has allowed the Nissan hatchback to have an amazing 60% share of the Plug-in market, leaving last year Best Seller, the Toyota Prius PHEV, in the dust, watching its sales dive 21% YoY.
So far in the US, the Prius Prime is doing well among PEVs this year, second only to the Tesla Model 3. It will be interesting to see if the Prius Prime holds up better here than in Japan as LEAF sales ramp up. I suspect it will due to longer driving distances in this market.

I expect the PEV picture in the US will begin to change starting with the sales reports for March which come out next week.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:51 pm

The penny has finally dropped, via GCR:
2019 Toyota Prius will be restyled to look more like Prime: report
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116204_2019-toyota-prius-will-be-restyled-to-look-more-like-prime-report

. . . At just 108,661 deliveries across four different models, U.S. Prius sales were almost exactly half their peak in 2012—and many analysts suggest that the bizarre styling has played a role.

Now, a report from Japan suggests the conventional Prius hybrid will get a mild styling update for 2019 that will move it closer to the better-received Prius Prime plug-in hybrid version. . . .
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:08 pm

GRA wrote:The penny has finally dropped, via GCR:
2019 Toyota Prius will be restyled to look more like Prime: report
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116204_2019-toyota-prius-will-be-restyled-to-look-more-like-prime-report

. . . At just 108,661 deliveries across four different models, U.S. Prius sales were almost exactly half their peak in 2012—and many analysts suggest that the bizarre styling has played a role.

Now, a report from Japan suggests the conventional Prius hybrid will get a mild styling update for 2019 that will move it closer to the better-received Prius Prime plug-in hybrid version. . . .

Did they actually listen? If I were in the market for such a vehicle, I would NOT purchase a regular Prius, they're just too damn ugly! As an owner of a '07 I do like the Prius but I just couldn't stomach the looks of a new one. I'd seriously look at a Prime, not nearly as ugly as a regular Prius but I'm pretty good for vehicles nowadays so it will be a few years before I start looking again :)
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:29 pm

jjeff wrote:
GRA wrote:The penny has finally dropped, via GCR:
2019 Toyota Prius will be restyled to look more like Prime: report
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116204_2019-toyota-prius-will-be-restyled-to-look-more-like-prime-report

. . . At just 108,661 deliveries across four different models, U.S. Prius sales were almost exactly half their peak in 2012—and many analysts suggest that the bizarre styling has played a role.

Now, a report from Japan suggests the conventional Prius hybrid will get a mild styling update for 2019 that will move it closer to the better-received Prius Prime plug-in hybrid version. . . .

Did they actually listen?

Of course they did (along with looking at their sales), otherwise they wouldn't bother to restyle it, possibly even ahead of the usual small styling changes of a MLU. The Prime's no great looker either, but far more people find it acceptable, and they're only a couple of years into the current model cycle so they're stuck with it until the next gen can be designed and introduced.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:33 pm

Some wag should draw up a facelift for the Prius that consists of placing a large brown paper bag over the car, with just the taillights and headlights showing.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:47 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Some wag should draw up a facelift for the Prius that consists of placing a large brown paper bag over the car, with just the taillights and headlights showing.
Still better than the Juke, which should have the bag entirely covering it, lights and all! :lol:
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:26 pm

Ah, well, zay do sings deeferently in France...
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 03, 2018 4:17 pm

April U.S. Prime sales via IEVS: 2,626 (2017, 1,819. Mar '18, 2,922).
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:33 pm

May U.S. Prime sales via IEVS: 2,924 (2017, 1,908. Apr '18, 2,626).
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