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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:59 pm

Via IEVS:
Toyota Prius Prime Test Drive Review From UK Finds Other Competitors Closing In
http://insideevs.com/toyota-prius-prime ... losing-in/

. . . Overall, Autocar laments that Toyota could have done better with the offering overall (driving experience, better material quality and practicality) and that the earlier Prius first mover advantage has been exhausted.

"…compared to the hybrid state of the art – the latest-generation petrol-electric offerings from the European car-makers who’ve spent two decades trailing in Toyota’s wake but are now in a position to go toe-to-toe with it – it’s weedy and one-dimensional“. . . .

Yup, still a Prius.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:22 pm

Well we checked out the Prius Prime today and were pleasantly surprised. I liked the styling much better than the (IMO) fugly new Prius and while at first I was quite upset at the lack of the 5th seat(middle rear) I guess we rarely use that in our '07 Prius and without it you gain a nice storage/cup holder thingy. I'd still probably rather have the 5th seat but it's no longer the deal breaker I once thought it might be.
Compared the Prius to several other PHEVs with similar ranges and the Prius still seems to be the one to beat in it's class. A big selling point to me in my climate is it's heat-pump heater, from what I can tell not a very common thing in EVs or for sure PHEVs.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:53 pm

jjeff wrote:Well we checked out the Prius Prime today and were pleasantly surprised. I liked the styling much better than the (IMO) fugly new Prius <snip>

I've seen four or five Primes now, and I agree that unlike the Gen 4 Prius it's not fugly. Still ugly IMO, but I don't feel the need to avert my eyes as with the regular Prius. :shock:
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:42 am

Thanks to my FB feed, I spotted a post pointing to http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... ost-422833.

Keep in mind this is before taxes and that sales tax would be on the purchase price of the car. Wayne Gerdes aka xcel said:
Hi All:

There is currently approximately $700 discount off MSRP being offered from the California area dealerships and $1,000 rebate from Toyota currently. For California consumers, this brings a Prius Prime Plus to just over $20k +TTL. I think there may more $s on the hood by late summer given both the Ioniq and Niro PHEVs are scheduled to arrive this fall.

$27,965 to start including the $865 D&H charge
$4,500 Fed Tax Credit
$1,500 Calif. State tax rebate
$700 off retail
$1,000 Toyota Rebate
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$20,265

Wow. Seems like a pretty cheap way to get green HOV stickers. If I were in the market for an ICEV to replace my 06 Prius, I'd actually consider this.

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:14 am

cwerdna wrote:Thanks to my FB feed, I spotted a post pointing to http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... ost-422833.

Keep in mind this is before taxes and that sales tax would be on the purchase price of the car. Wayne Gerdes aka xcel said:
Hi All:

There is currently approximately $700 discount off MSRP being offered from the California area dealerships and $1,000 rebate from Toyota currently. For California consumers, this brings a Prius Prime Plus to just over $20k +TTL. I think there may more $s on the hood by late summer given both the Ioniq and Niro PHEVs are scheduled to arrive this fall.

$27,965 to start including the $865 D&H charge
$4,500 Fed Tax Credit
$1,500 Calif. State tax rebate
$700 off retail
$1,000 Toyota Rebate
__________________

$20,265

Wow. Seems like a pretty cheap way to get green HOV stickers. If I were in the market for an ICEV to replace my 06 Prius, I'd actually consider this.

That does sound good when you put it that way, and while I don't have the paperwork with me right now I believe it might even be cheaper than what we paid for our '07 Prius, which at the time was in high demand due to high gas prices and therefor wasn't discounted one bit, there were waiting lists at least in my state.
Not to derail this thread too long but since you have a '06 and I a '07 Prius, aren't you starting to worry about any possible upcoming maintenance issues with your Prius? I mean for the past several cars I've liked to buy new and drive for 10 years, thus avoiding most repairs. It's worked well and in the case of my '94 Geo Metro worked very well as about 6 months after selling it the purchaser had a catastrophic failure that resulted in it being junked. I kind of felt bad about it but it had been 6 months and I can truthfully say I knew nothing about failure or that it would happen, since then I've found it's somewhat common for Geos of those years in my climate(rust causing the whole front end to fall to the ground, non repairable). Anyway thats why I've been thinking of replacing our Prius. It still runs great, somewhat low mileage I believe for it's age(~80k) and no visible rust. I'm just worried something might go wrong with say the NiMh pack(which I've read can be somewhat expensive to replace and might be required to drive the car) or even electrical problems which could also be costly to fix. We'd also have the advantage if going with the Prime of using even less gas as my wifes commute(who is the primary driver) works well within the Prime's EV range, thus possibly reducing our gas usage to longer trips, or maybe a bit more if the Prime is like the Volt and likes to run the engine to make sure the gas doesn't get too old. As it is now unless were using it for a trip she generally only has to full up monthly as when not commuting she uses one of our Leafs and uses no gas.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:27 pm

via IEVS:
Toyota Dealers Increase Requests For Prius Prime As Sales Exceed Expectations
http://insideevs.com/toyota-dealers-inc ... ectations/

Pretty much as expected, at least in California.
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