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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue May 02, 2017 6:34 pm

GRA wrote:In April, the Prime's U.S. sales passed the Volt for the first time, 1,819 to 1,807. I expect the Prime's lead to widen for the rest of the year, and that it will probably rank #1 for the year among PHEVs and maybe all PEVs. Low price will win out, unless the Ionic PHEV comes in not too much more expensive.

The sad part is the volt in reality is usually cheaper out the door and a lot more car than the prime,
The Prime has a small handful of gimmicks but doesn't handle or drive like a Volt.
if I had to guess the Ioniq will be less than the Prime but won't outsell the name Toyo.

Hyundai has a lot to prove given is relatively recent history

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed May 03, 2017 8:59 am

I agree with rmay. It's not about price as much as name recognition. Toyota/Prius has that in spades, especially among the "green car" crowd. Gm/Volt, not so much. Hyundai/Ioniq will be interesting to see how they build a new brand but I doubt it will touch the Prius Prime.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed May 03, 2017 9:24 am

rmay635703 wrote:The sad part is the volt in reality is usually cheaper out the door and a lot more car than the prime,

I own a Prime
I paid about $17,500 before taxes and after credits for a car that thumps the Volt in reliability, efficiency, and safety.

Which is not to discount the awful GM brand, but the Prime is a phenomenal value.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed May 03, 2017 1:13 pm

rmay635703 wrote:
GRA wrote:In April, the Prime's U.S. sales passed the Volt for the first time, 1,819 to 1,807. I expect the Prime's lead to widen for the rest of the year, and that it will probably rank #1 for the year among PHEVs and maybe all PEVs. Low price will win out, unless the Ionic PHEV comes in not too much more expensive.

The sad part is the volt in reality is usually cheaper out the door and a lot more car than the prime,
The Prime has a small handful of gimmicks but doesn't handle or drive like a Volt.
if I had to guess the Ioniq will be less than the Prime but won't outsell the name Toyo.

Hyundai has a lot to prove given is relatively recent history

I wouldn't call a heatpump heater a gimmick, in my neck of the woods it's almost a necessity for decent winter(5 months of the year :( ) EV range. I also wouldn't call 50+ MPG on ICE a gimmick. :)
My biggest complaint about the Volt is it's extremely tight quarters, front, rear and middle, tight!
As a owner of a 10 year old Prius(non PHEV) and 13 year old Scion I can also attest to Toyota's quality, I've basically had to do nothing other than oil changes and brake jobs on both, friends with Fords or Chevys(not a Volt though) much newer than my Toyotas have far more issues than I.
Truthfully I wanted the Volt to work, gave it several good tries but even dismissing any potential quality issues it just wasn't the vehicle for me, not that I don't dislike several things about our Prius, more than my Leaf, just neither did I have as many issues with as the several Volts I tried out.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 10:35 am

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 10:39 am

rmay635703 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
rmay635703 wrote:The sad part is the volt in reality is usually cheaper out the door and a lot more car than the prime,

I own a Prime
I paid about $17,500 before taxes and after credits for a car that thumps the Volt in reliability, efficiency, and safety.

Which is not to discount the awful GM brand, but the Prime is a phenomenal value.


I also paid $17,500 for my fully loaded volt tax title and license and I live in a state that only penalizes EVs, no credits.

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The reason you drive a Volt isn't so much about MPGs but in EV % as shown above.
I also find it to be a more comfortable car and took it with 3 adults out 3500 miles to Yellowstone and back.

Even with a Prime, I still would end up at a Wash (at best) in terms of gallons of fuel used

And as Sparkie the volt demonstrates drive 85mph+ all day 380,000 miles later...
the Gen I volt is at least as reliable as a Prius.

https://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/1579

In terms of heat pump, yeah its a gimmick, around here we have a minimum of 2 months with sub zero weather, far as I remember the heat pump does nothing and for me at least, if its above 15F the car might be preheated but I don't generally use heat unless the gas engine is running on a longer trip

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 12:11 pm

In terms of heat pump, yeah its a gimmick, around here we have a minimum of 2 months with sub zero weather, far as I remember the heat pump does nothing and for me at least, if its above 15F the car might be preheated but I don't generally use heat unless the gas engine is running on a longer trip


First, you don't understand how a heatpump works. It provides plentiful heat in MILD Winter temps, allowing you to use the heat often, with little range impact. (I assume that you don't use heat much because it drops your range a lot.) Heatpumps are not much help in frigid temps - that's when engine heat is still needed. Definitely NOT a gimmick - heatpump systems allow generous use of the heater all the way down to a bit below Freezing.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 12:31 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
In terms of heat pump, yeah its a gimmick, around here we have a minimum of 2 months with sub zero weather, far as I remember the heat pump does nothing and for me at least, if its above 15F the car might be preheated but I don't generally use heat unless the gas engine is running on a longer trip


First, you don't understand how a heatpump works. It provides plentiful heat in MILD Winter temps, allowing you to use the heat often, with little range impact. (I assume that you don't use heat much because it drops your range a lot.) Heatpumps are not much help in frigid temps - that's when engine heat is still needed. Definitely NOT a gimmick - heatpump systems allow generous use of the heater all the way down to a bit below Freezing.

Plus it's not just for heat per se, when I use my energy-hog resistive heater on my S Leaf to help defog my windows, when it's too cold to use AC my range is cut quite a bit, this would the perfect use for a heat pump. While I agree in the extreme cold a heat pump doesn't really help, there are still lots of temperatures between 15F and when you might want some heat.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 12:33 pm

My priorities are oil consumption and pollution. Our household of two adults drives about 16,000 miles a year, split between 5,000 miles of about-town commuting and 11,000 miles of 90 mile trips. We use a LEAF for the in-town commuting and the Prime for the 90 mile trips. Since the beginning of the year when both cars were acquired we have averaged ~ 150 mpg between them. The LEAF was bought used for $7000 and the Prime bought new for $17,000. The EV miles are covered by PV.

In terms of fuel costs, we pay about $25-30 a month total. This averages out to ~ 2 cents a mile.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 04, 2017 6:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
In terms of heat pump, yeah its a gimmick, around here we have a minimum of 2 months with sub zero weather, far as I remember the heat pump does nothing and for me at least, if its above 15F the car might be preheated but I don't generally use heat unless the gas engine is running on a longer trip


First, you don't understand how a heatpump works. It provides plentiful heat in MILD Winter temps, allowing you to use the heat often, with little range impact. (I assume that you don't use heat much because it drops your range a lot.) Heatpumps are not much help in frigid temps - that's when engine heat is still needed. Definitely NOT a gimmick - heatpump systems allow generous use of the heater all the way down to a bit below Freezing.


I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare and usually heated seats more than makes up for it on those days.
even in my gas car the heat stays off in mild cold. Maybe being a son of a Yooper is why but my jacket doesn't go on until it's quite cold either.

That's my point, around here it's either in the high 20's or below zero, very rarely between and my volt is easily 70 degrees in the cab when I leave work after a full day sun in 20 degree weather, it's below 15 that I need something better and that's several months a year.

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