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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:57 am

GRA wrote:Per IEVS, May U.S. Prime sales were once more #1 with 1,908, beating out the Volt (1,817) this month by 91(vs. 12 last month). Sales are apparently still supply-constrained, as per Jay Cole time on lot is apparently something like 7 days.
What do you think? Will the Prime break 2000 in June? I doubt they are producing enough to break 3000, but maybe 2500-2750.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:24 am

Toyota offered up to $2,500 rebate in regions they had over-supplied. I am part of the group that bought out of region to take advantage of the rebate. As supply is more evenly matched to demand and Toyota dials down rebates you will have a better idea of sustainable sales.

OTOH, it is a *really* good car so there might be positive word of mouth over time.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:41 am

Reddy wrote:What do you think? Will the Prime break 2000 in June? I doubt they are producing enough to break 3000, but maybe 2500-2750.

I would second your guess of ~2500-2750 in June. June is the end of the quarter and sales usually are highest on the last month of the quarter. The supply constraints and regional availability will likely be a little improved, if current trends hold. In most regions the marketed incentives are the same as the previous month, so little additional help on that front.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:12 pm

GRA wrote:
Reddy wrote:
GRA wrote:Per IEVS, May U.S. Prime sales were once more #1 with 1,908, beating out the Volt (1,817) this month by 91(vs. 12 last month). Sales are apparently still supply-constrained, as per Jay Cole time on lot is apparently something like 7 days.
What do you think? Will the Prime break 2000 in June? I doubt they are producing enough to break 3000, but maybe 2500-2750.

Easily over 2k. The total just depends on how well they can stock them, but I'm still seeing them very rarely here - I see Clarity FCEVs more often, Bolt sightings are at least bi-weekly and edging towards daily, and even Mirai sightings are more frequent. It's very odd, given the relative sales of each.

June Prime sales were only 1,619, vs. the Bolt's 1,745. Jay Cole at IEVS says it's still a lack of cars to sell, as they continue to sell quickly, and he (like me) believes they'll take the PEV sales crown for the year. But now I think the Model 3 could be a wild card, depending on when it arrives in volume. See http://insideevs.com/june-2017-plug-in-electric-vehicle-sales-report-card/#comment-1250200
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:02 am

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:04 am


And is selling about 5k cars a month worldwide.

The Prime is a really good car. On its merits it should sell 10x the current amount.
I wonder if it will catch on Europe, now that diesel is not the darling.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:18 pm

Other considerations aside, too little EV range and too ugly to be of any interest to me...

SageBrush wrote:The Prime is a really good car. On its merits it should sell 10x the current amount.
I wonder if it will catch on Europe, now that diesel is not the darling.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:24 pm

TomT wrote:Other considerations aside, too little EV range and too ugly to be of any interest to me...

SageBrush wrote:The Prime is a really good car. On its merits it should sell 10x the current amount.
I wonder if it will catch on Europe, now that diesel is not the darling.

Funny, coming from a LEAF and Chevy Volt driver. You have cornered the market on ugly, boring, and weird.

The Prime does do EV, but it is just as equally thought of as a gas sipper. It would surprise you just how much reduction in petrol use that car achieves * while being super affordable and the pinnacle of reliability. And it comes standard with safety and Auto-driving features your car choices have not even begun to dream about.

Tremendous value.

* We use the Prius Prime for occasional 250 mile drives and my frequent 90 mile r/t commute for work. Since purchase in 3/2017 I have been consuming 0.75 gallons and 6.3 kWh (from my smallish Solar PV budget) for each 90 miles of the commute. That works out to 90 grams CO2 per mile (WtW), 2 cents a mile, and close to zero criteria tailpipe emissions. Car efficiency and Toyota sensitivity towards pollution control are quite impressive. It is really hard to do so well in all aspects at the same time.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:04 pm

I consider the Gen 2 Volt to be far better looking than either of the other two... And a far better driving and performing vehicle as well. I find the Volt to be much more fun to drive than either my previous Leaf or a Prime... But I do rather like weird! ;)

FYI, when I am rarely on gas (about 23,000 of the 28,000 miles I have on the car, and mostly on long trips), I average about 50 mpg; when on electric about 4.4 M/Kwh... And I am by no means a hypermiler...

SageBrush wrote:Funny, coming from a LEAF and Chevy Volt driver. You have cornered the market on ugly, boring, and weird.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:15 pm

TomT wrote:I consider the Gen 2 Volt to be far better looking

I see a squashed frog wearing a yellow bow-tie with a goofy smile made from chrome dentures from the front of that car. <<shudder>>

And to top it off, the car would have cost me a lot more to purchase, offered less safety and functionality, polluted more and used more oil and electricity.
And sent money to one of the scummiest corporations in the country.

No. Hell no.
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