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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:36 pm

Via GCR:
Follow-up: In the end, I bought a Toyota Prius Prime plug-in hybrid
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1117224_follow-up-in-the-end-i-bought-a-toyota-prius-prime-plug-in-hybrid

In an article last fall, I reached out to the GCR readers for a suggestion for what plug-in vehicle I should buy to complement my 84-mile range 2015 Nissan LEAF. The new vehicle, my wife’s car, had to handle a 16-mile daily commute, occasional 300-mile trips to Vermont (a place of few DC fast chargers), and be less than $40,000.

Readers generously gave their thoughts with over 500 comments, leaning heavily toward the 2017 Chevy Volt as the car of choice with the 2017 Prius Prime coming in second and the Chevy Bolt EV a third. But there was a surprisingly long list of other ideas including a number of people suggesting that we just wait for better options in the marketplace.

Thinking through the options, I quickly ruled out pure battery electric vehicles. There simply are not enough fast chargers in the New England area to have only battery electric vehicles in the family, unless one of them is a Tesla. Tesla’s longer range and extensive charging infrastructure could make it a workable solution, but that would involve waiting for a shorter range Tesla Model 3, something I was not prepared to do as our 2006 Prius was reaching an age where reduced reliability might occur.

This narrowed the options down to either a Chevy Volt or a Prius Prime (although a Kia Optima, Kia Niro, or Hyundai Ioniq PHEV might have also made the cut). . . .

He gives his reasons for choosing the Prime instead of the Volt.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:30 pm

June U.S. Prime sales via IEVS: 2,237 (2017, ? May '18, 2,924).
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:21 pm

Whether or not this is due to Toyota's collaboration with Subaru on the Crosstrek PHEV, I think it's long overdue:
Toyota teases all-wheel-drive Prius for LA auto show debut
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119830_toyota-teases-all-wheel-drive-prius-for-la-auto-show-debut

. . . In studying the picture the company teased, with a Prius churning through the snow, it’s hard to come to another conclusion. The automaker says in a greeting-card-like teaser: “Fall is here, winter’s near, but the 2019 Prius performs on roads whether snowy or clear.”

Refreshed styling is also due for the Prius lineup, which will as a whole inherit more of the Prius Prime's styling cues. Many found the design of the Prime to be more cohesive and eye-pleasing, so that's a good thing.

For years, Toyota has sold a version of the Prius in its home market (Japan) called the E-Four, which retains the same two-motor Toyota Hybrid System up front but adds a third motor at the rear wheels, for rear traction, stability, and additional regenerative braking.

In the Prius E-four, the electric motor in back generates just 5.3 kilowatts—just over 7 horsepower. And now the parent company is sending this same system—and motor output—to the U.S. in the all-wheel-drive Lexus UX250h. . . .

If this is an AWD Prius, we’ll have plenty of questions—like whether adding that rear motor actually helps or hurts fuel economy. Check back for more in a few weeks, as we report from the show.

Assuming the Prius really will have an AWD option, the question is will the Prime also?
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:37 pm

GRA wrote:Whether or not this is due to Toyota's collaboration with Subaru on the Crosstrek PHEV, I think it's long overdue:
Toyota teases all-wheel-drive Prius for LA auto show debut
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119830_toyota-teases-all-wheel-drive-prius-for-la-auto-show-debut

As GCR mentions, AWD has been available on non-plugin Prius since 2016 model year, just not in the US.

See https://www.hybridcars.com/2016-toyota- ... s-markets/ . I can't read Japanese but you look at https://toyota.jp/service/estimate_simu ... grade7_sim, you'll see mostly 2WD but some E-Four models. Also see https://www.toyota-global.com/innovatio ... efour.html.

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:59 pm

cwerdna wrote:
GRA wrote:Whether or not this is due to Toyota's collaboration with Subaru on the Crosstrek PHEV, I think it's long overdue:
Toyota teases all-wheel-drive Prius for LA auto show debut
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119830_toyota-teases-all-wheel-drive-prius-for-la-auto-show-debut

As GCR mentions, AWD has been available on non-plugin Prius since 2016 model year, just not in the US.

See https://www.hybridcars.com/2016-toyota- ... s-markets/ . I can't read Japanese but you look at https://toyota.jp/service/estimate_simu ... grade7_sim, you'll see mostly 2WD but some E-Four models. Also see https://www.toyota-global.com/innovatio ... efour.html.

Yes, they mentioned it, but I don't understand Toyota's rationale for not bringing it here prior to this at all. They say most Prius'are sold in California and the south, so most of them don't need AWD. So why introduce an HEV AWD version of the RAV4, which sells really well in California? Not everyone needs or wants a CUV, and the Prius (at least gens 2 and 3) has considerable utility owing to its large cargo space.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:56 pm

It's skiing. Most Prius-driving Calis love to ski. I wonder if they ski slowly, and wallow a lot...
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:01 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:It's skiing. Most Prius-driving Calis love to ski. I wonder if they ski slowly, and wallow a lot...

Of course it's for skiing, which is why the Prius should offer AWD.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:37 pm

GRA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:It's skiing. Most Prius-driving Calis love to ski. I wonder if they ski slowly, and wallow a lot...

Of course it's for skiing, which is why the Prius should offer AWD.


No argument. I was only joking about the wallowing.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
GRA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:It's skiing. Most Prius-driving Calis love to ski. I wonder if they ski slowly, and wallow a lot...

Of course it's for skiing, which is why the Prius should offer AWD.


No argument. I was only joking about the wallowing.

I know you were joking, just wanted to be clear. As the green types are more likely to X-C than downhill ski, skiing slowly and wallowing is about right. :lol: At least, it is for me, as I've never been better than a mediocre X-C skier - I've got stamina and coordination but so-so balance, so while I'm fine on the flat or uphill, my downhill abilities are limited.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:11 am

GRA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:It's skiing. Most Prius-driving Calis love to ski. I wonder if they ski slowly, and wallow a lot...

Of course it's for skiing, which is why the Prius should offer AWD.

Toyota Prius gets AWD-e version, refreshed looks for 2019
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/28/toy ... s-88h4fk7/

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