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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:41 pm

Both Via GCC:
Solaris providing an additional 12 Urbino electric buses to Cluj Napoca
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/10/20181003-solaris.html

. . . Having ordered 41 buses in total, Cluj Napoca will become the city with the highest number of Solaris Urbino electrics in Europe.

Even though the agreement stipulated deliveries over the next three years, the city decided to have orders completed in slightly more than a year after all. The first 11 electric Solaris buses where delivered to the customer in spring this year. Another 12 buses will make it to Cluj Napoca by the end of 2018. The last batch with 18 freshly ordered vehicles is to leave Bolechowo nine months after contract signing.

The bus purchase was partly financed by the Swiss-Romanian Cooperation Program. CTP Transport Company has been named operator. The contract is worth nearly PLN 90 million (US$24.3 million). . . .

The 12-meter Urbino electric for the Romanian carrier will be equipped with a 160 kW central motor and traction batteries of the Solaris High Energy type with a capacity of 200 kWh. Adding electric buses to the operator’s fleet meant for the city investments in charging facilities, too. Eleven slow-charging and three fast-charging stations using pantographs (each bus is fitted with a pantograph mounted on the bus roof above the second axle) have been set up in the city in the past year.

The buses can carry up to 78 passengers, including 27 sitting on seats of which 10 are accessible from the low floor.




Momentum Dynamics to deliver 200 kW wireless charging systems for Martha's Vineyard Transit Buses
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/10/20181003-momentumdynamics.html

. . . Three co-located 200 kilowatt (kW) wireless charging systems will be installed at the Church Street Visitors Center in Edgartown, MA in time for the island’s 2019 tourist season. Smart charging capabilities provide the VTA with the tools to manage utility load during wireless charging events.

Additionally, VTA is installing 250-500 kWh battery storage systems to allow the VTA Maintenance and Operations Center to operate as a micro-grid optimized to charge electric vehicles. As the VTA transitions to a fully-electric bus fleet, on-route charging sites will be added, each of which will operate as an independent micro-grid, supported by energy storage.

Momentum Dynamics’ wireless charging systems will be retrofitted into the first 10 BYD electric buses in VTA’s fleet. The system has a proven 94% efficiency from utility to battery providing on-route high power charging, critical in converting VTA’s fleet to battery electric buses.

Installed in the roadway, on-route charging allows buses to be recharged multiple times each day during scheduled stops. In as little as five minutes, the buses can receive enough energy to fuel a complete circulation loop. This practice enables unlimited driving range.

The high-power inductive bus charging system at VTA will become the third installation in North America to operate at over 200 kW.
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:49 pm

Via the East Bay Times:
California could be rolling all electric buses by 2040
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/09/27/california-could-be-rolling-all-electric-buses-by-2040/

Despite worries about how well environmentally friendly electric buses will withstand the pounding of everyday traffic, the California Air Resources Board will hold the first of two hearings Friday on committing to begin transitioning to a full fleet of zero-emission buses in two years.

Northern California agencies already testing the clean-burning vehicles include AC Transit, MUNI, the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority and Monterey-Salinas Transit with SamTrans joining the list next year.

The message is clear. This will be the green light of an electric revolution for public transit with the goal to have only electric buses on all city streets by 2040. . . .

Added SamTrans spokesman Dan Lieberman: “Our board has stated that we’ve purchased our last diesel bus.”

There are 130 electric buses being tested statewide. MUNI hopes to beat the 2040 mandate by five years. VTA is running electric buses on Line 10 also known as the Airport Flyer. The VTA will likely not purchase any bus using diesel, natural gas or gasoline after 2027.

The cost of buying an electric bus can be $200,000 more than a diesel or hybrid. Setting up charging stations can add thousands more to the startup price tag.

But maintenance should be less and, of course, fuel costs zilch*. Chicago officials say each of its electric buses saves $25,000 a year. VTA’s fleet of five electric buses has the potential to reduce greenhouse gases by 1,266 tons per year. That’s the equivalent of about 350 passenger vehicles driven for one year.

About 65 percent of VTA’s bus fleet is diesel electric hybrids. By 2022, it plans to replace the remaining regular diesel buses with either hybrids or fully electric ones.

Funds are beginning to come in. The California Air Resources Board voted to invest $130 million from the Volkswagen “Dieselgate” settlement to purchase zero-emission transit buses, school buses and shuttle buses. And the California Public Utilities Commission made a $760 million investment in electric charging infrastructure. Los Angeles recently received a $36 million grant from the California Transit and Intercity Rail Capital Program to purchase 112 electric buses, and California’s $25 million Rural School Bus Pilot Project provides electric bus funding through cap-and-trade revenue.

But there are concerns. Will these buses get the mileage promised, will their batteries remain powerful for the 500,000 miles older buses cover over 12 years and will the doors work?

The Los Angeles Times found Southern California buses stalled on hills, required service calls much more frequently than older buses and had unpredictable driving ranges below promised distances, which were impaired by the heat, the cold or the way drivers braked. The first five buses sent to Los Angeles Metro were pulled off the road after less than five months of service.

The Monterey-Salinas Transit agency now operates an electric bus along Cannery Row and in October will have two more in Salinas. General Manager Carl Sedoryk said “zero-emission” buses have proven to have vastly different performances depending upon everything from local temperature, topography, length of routes, and even driver braking and acceleration habits. As such, transit operators must plan for the worst case range to avoid having a bus run out of power mid-route. . . .

Still, the effort to go all-electric is gaining momentum.

“San Jose purchased enough electric buses to completely convert its airport fleet months ago, while VTA has completed one procurement and will be embarking on more soon,” said VTA chairman and San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo. “We’re taking action well ahead of the talk.”

*No fossil fuel, but of course electricity has to be paid for.
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:56 pm

Via GCC:
BYD awarded electric bus contract by WESTCOAST Sightseeing in Vancouver, Canada
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/10/20181010-byd.html

BYD Canada has been awarded an order for battery-electric buses by WESTCOAST Sightseeing, the first tour company in Canada to order clean energy buses, and the first to commit to having a 100% clean-energy fleet by 2023.

The largest private bus operator in Vancouver, Canada, WESTCOAST Sightseeing has agreed to work exclusively with BYD on converting its entire fleet of 90 buses, which will include open top buses, double decks and singles and others. WESTCOAST Sightseeing will also work with city to develop charging infrastructure that will not only benefit WESTCOAST but many other companies that want to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and climate impact. . . .
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:19 pm

Via GCC:
T&E: Electric bus orders in Europe more than doubled to 1,031 units in 2017; ~9% share of new registrations
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/11/20181109-euroebus.html

. . . The are currently about 1,600 electric buses are on European roads, with another 1,600 on order (as of mid-2018). The lag between orders and deliveries is usually 9-12 months; T&E expects all these electric buses to be on the road by mid-2019.

The Netherlands, UK, France, Poland and Germany account for more than half the total number of electric buses in Europe (including orders).

Nearly half of delivered and ordered electric buses come from three manufacturers:

BYD: 600 units sold and a 20% market share
VDL: 500 units
Solaris: 330 units

T&E performed a [8-year] total cost of ownership calculation that includes external costs on health (air quality and noise) and climate (GHG emissions), including inputs from CE Delft. When these estimated externalities are factored in, electric buses show a lower 8-year total cost of ownership than diesel, T&E said.

According to the T&E analysis there are two key barriers to the electrification of buses in Europe. The first challenge is the higher upfront cost (up to twice the price of a diesel bus), which makes it difficult to buy electric buses without some financial help, in particular for less wealthy cities which are usually the ones with the worst air quality.

The second barrier is the lack of strong policy support that stimulates both supply and demand, thereby increasing economies of scale, and pushing down the cost of zero-emission buses. . . .

The environment committee of the European Parliament is pushing a stronger approach, backing a sales target requiring busmakers to sell 50% zero emission urban buses by 2025, and 75% by 2030.
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:46 pm

Via IEVS:
Albuquerque Plans To Reject And Return BYD Electric Buses
https://insideevs.com/albuquerque-reject-and-return-byd-electric-buses/

. . . The City of Albuquerque, New Mexico wasn’t satisfied with the 60-foot all-electric buses received from BYD and it seems that the deal will end up in court.

Mayor Tim Keller lists tons of problems with BYD buses, ordered for by the Albuquerque Rapid Transit project. According to the article, so far 15 buses were delivered (out of 20 ordered) with a significant delay.

The biggest problem was range – just about 177 miles instead of the expected 275 miles. The city says that batteries were overheating in the summer, the charging infrastructure wasn’t installed and even brakes were found not working in one case. Together with other issues, it all sounds miserable. . .

The city plans to reject and return all the electric buses.

Because no other manufacturer was willing to produce 60-foot buses to Albuquerque’s specification, the city will try to order 10 conventional buses, but the time it takes to get those is another 18 months.

    ““No one will make an electric bus to our specifications because they say it’s not possible,” Keller said. “No other company will do it. There’s no option for electric. We’ll go with a version of clean diesel or gas, then we’ll look to phase in electric once the technology catches up. . . .””
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:31 am

Guy,

Don't know if you've been following this: Arvin debuts electric bus it hopes will spur change throughout region.

Behind a paywall, but lots of local media reporting it.

For background, Arvin is a small farming town that recently has taken on the local oil industry. The oil industry poured money into the midterms to remove some of the local politicians but failed.

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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:32 pm

paulgipe wrote:Guy,

Don't know if you've been following this: Arvin debuts electric bus it hopes will spur change throughout region.

Behind a paywall, but lots of local media reporting it.

For background, Arvin is a small farming town that recently has taken on the local oil industry. The oil industry poured money into the midterms to remove some of the local politicians but failed.

Paul

Hadn't seen or heard about it, but the Central Valley can use all the emission reductions they can get, which is why CEC and CARB have been stressing transitions in that area for both private vehicles and also trucks and Ag equipment. ISTR reading 15 or so years back (IIRR part of a class I was taking on the environment of Sequoia/Kings Canyon) that thanks to the Fresno Eddy and the prevailing NW winds that blow both Sacramento's and the Bay Area's smog down there, 1 in 7 kids in Fresno or maybe it was the south end of the Valley have asthma. Edit: Found this article from 2002 which mentions at the end that 1 in 6 kids in Fresno have asthma: http://www.valleyair.org/Recent_news/News_Clippings/2002/newstoday-8-15-02.pdf
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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:58 am

Guy,

I used to be involved in air quality campaigns and worked with activists in Fresno.

The AQ in Bako is as bad or worse than Fresno. You could say it gives us bragging rights over LA, "Our air is worse than yours."

Porterville--also here in the Valley--was planning on a Proterra bus plant. I don't know what came of that. Nor do I know why Bakersfield's bus system hasn't adopted any. They had grant applications in and had a meet and greet a few years ago with a Proterra bus.

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Re: Battery-electric bus discussion

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:10 pm

Via GCC:
Daimler Buses delivers first two of up to 950 Citaro buses to Berlin; additional order for up to 15 eCitaro electrics
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/11/20181121-daimlerbus.html

. . . The BVG has ordered an additional 15 units of the new, all-electric Mercedes-Benz eCitaro. They will be delivered from the first quarter of 2019.
the rest of the order is for Euro VI-compliant diesel buses. Somehow, I doubt D-B's BEV buses for Berlin will fail the way that BYD's did in Albuquerque.


Also GCC:
King County Metro to begin testing electric buses that can travel more than 140 miles on a single charge
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/11/20181121-kingcounty.html

King County Metro, the public transit authority of King County, Washington, which includes the city of Seattle, will soon begin testing long-range battery-powered buses that can travel more than 140 miles on a single charge, the latest milestone toward a zero-emission fleet.

The latest models can travel nearly six times farther than the fast-charge buses Metro currently has in its fleet. At that distance, the battery-powered buses could satisfy about 70% of Metro’s bus routes, reducing air and noise pollution throughout the region.

Manufacturers will provide 40- and 60-foot battery-powered buses for the performance test. The buses will initially be operated out of Metro’s South Base in Tukwila. Metro has committed to prioritize deployment of new zero-emission buses on service operating from South King County, improving air quality and public health first in low-income and communities of color, which are most vulnerable to the public health impacts of air pollution.

Among the buses under test are four New Flyer Xcelsior CHARGE battery-electric, heavy-duty transit buses (two 40-foot and two 60-foot).

King County Metro earlier this year became the first transit agency in North America to install a high-powered charging station at a base facility where recharging is combined with cleaning and maintenance. Short-range buses at Metro’s Bellevue Base can now fully recharge in much less time, which has made operations more efficient.

Metro is now building the infrastructure needed to recharge both short- and long-range buses to achieve its goal of operating a zero-emission fleet no later than 2040. King County is working with local utilities—Seattle City Light and Puget Sound Energy—to ensure that the batteries are charged with clean, renewable energy. . . .
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