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Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:02 pm

Figured I'd start a thread, given the announcement below via GCC:
Honda to highlight new FCV, NSX hybrid, NEOWING hybrid, production model of Odyssey Hybrid at Tokyo Motor Show
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/09 ... honda.html

Once it's named I'll change the title.
At the upcoming 44th Tokyo Motor Show 2015, Honda will showcase its all-new fuel cell vehicle—tentatively being called the FCV, NSX hybrid supercar, and NEOWING three-wheeler hybrid, as well as stage the Japan premiere of the all-new Civic Type R and the planned production model of the Odyssey Hybrid equipped with the further advanced SPORT HYBRID-iMMD (Intelligent Multi-Mode Drive) system.

The new FCV sedan consolidates the entire fuel-cell powertrain under the hood of a sedan-type vehicle. This powertrain layout enabled a full cabin package that seats five adults comfortably. The FCV features a cruising range of more than 700 km (435 miles) on the JC08 mode. When paired with an external power feeding inverter, this FCV can function as a “mobile power plant” that generates and provides electricity to the community in the case of an emergency. . . .

The rest of the article is about the other cars. JC08 is apparently not quite as liberal as NEDC, so figure EPA range might by 75-80% of that 435 miles. Toyota measured the Mirai at 650 km (404 miles) on JC08 and got 312 miles from the EPA, so 312/404 = .77. Assuming the same fraction for the Honda, 435 * .77 = 335 miles.
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Re: Official Honda FCV thread

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:41 pm

Via GCR:
Honda FCV Sedan Teased Ahead Of 2015 Tokyo Motor Show
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... motor-show

Another article on the upcoming announcement, but includes some apparently official artist's renderings. It's better looking than the Mirai (I think that claim should win some sort of award for 'lowest limbo' dance - really, could the bar be set any lower? ;) ), although it still has some awkward-looking elements.
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Re: Official Honda FCV thread

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:45 pm

Styling is a matter of taste. I like both the artist concept for the Honda FCV and the Mirai that I saw/drove.

I will look forward to seeing what Honda can put forward when it gets here. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Official Honda FCV thread

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:24 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:Styling is a matter of taste..

'IMO' is implied whenever taste is involved.

DarthPuppy wrote:I like both the artist concept for the Honda FCV and the Mirai that I saw/drove. I will look forward to seeing what Honda can put forward when it gets here. Thanks for posting.

You should let Toyota know that you like the looks of the Mirai - their designers must be pretty depressed, given the almost universally negative response to its (and the new Prius') looks in the U.S. (at least, among those who've expressed an opinion in print/on line).
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Re: Official Honda FCV thread

Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:44 pm

Via GCR:
Honda's Tokyo Fuel-Cell Vehicle May Be Its Electric Car And Plug-In Hybrid Too
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... hybrid-too

IOW, they may be going the same route that VW did with the MQB platform, designing a single platform that can handle a variety of unconventional powertrain technologies. It's the way to go to boost production volumes and lower costs, even if you lose a bit of space or performance through not being optimized for a single powertrain tech.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity Fuel Cell thread

Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:02 pm

Now that the car has been named, I've changed the title.

Via GCC:
Honda leverages older name for new FCV: Clarity Fuel Cell makes its debut at Tokyo; 435-mile range on JC08
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/10 ... arity.html

Honda Motor Co., Ltd. unveiled the planned production model of its all-new fuel cell vehicle (FCV), called Clarity Fuel Cell, at the 44th Tokyo Motor Show 2015. This model will be on display at the Honda booth during the show. The name honors its predecessor, the FCX Clarity fuel cell vehicle, introduced at the LA Auto Show in 2007. (Earlier post.)

Employing original Honda technologies, the fuel cell stack for this model was downsized by 33% compared to the previous version of the fuel cell stack yet delivers output of more than 100 kW, with an output density of 3.1 kW/L—approximately a 60% improvement. The fuel cell powertrain was made as compact as a Honda 3.5L V6 engine, enabling it to be packaged under the hood of a sedan-type vehicle for the first time. This powertrain layout enabled a full cabin package that seats five adults. . . .


Using the same JC08 to EPA conversion factor as the Mirai of .77, the range works out to about 335 miles EPA. We'll see. Introduction in Japan (lease-only apparently) in March 2016, for the first year aimed primarily at business and govt. customers, then gradually expanding. Japan price $63,670, not sure what the Mirai price is there.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity Fuel Cell thread

Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:54 pm

Via ABG:
Honda lets us 'drive' the FCEV; PHEV with 40-mile EV range
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/26/hond ... v-feature/
Limited info in the article, but better than nothing.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity Fuel Cell thread

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:37 pm

Via GCC:
Honda Clarity Fuel Cell sedan makes N. American debut at LA Auto Show; available in California late 2016; PHEV in 2018
http://www.greencarcongress.com/

. . . The new Honda Clarity Fuel Cell will feature a driving range estimated to exceed 300 miles, and an anticipated refueling time of approximately three minutes at a pressure of 70 MPa.

Additional features include the Honda Sensing suite of safety and driver assistive technologies, support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, LED exterior lighting and 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels. The Clarity Fuel Cell will be available in black, white and signature red exterior paint schemes.

Honda will begin deliveries of the Clarity Fuel Cell to customers in late 2016 through select fuel cell dealers in select California markets starting in Los Angeles and Orange Counties, the San Francisco Bay Area and Sacramento.

Eventually, Honda will expand the scope of its marketing to additional California markets and other states, including the Northeast as hydrogen refueling networks expand.

Honda said the Clarity Fuel Cell will be priced competitively with others in the segment; Honda expects its new generation of environmental vehicles, which includes the Clarity Fuel Cell, to serve as a new volume pillar for Honda. . . .


Also see the articles at ievs and GCR, which contain much of the same info on the Clarity: http://insideevs.com/honda-commits-to-2 ... in-hybrid/

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... s-of-range
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Re: Official Honda Clarity Fuel Cell thread

Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:45 pm

Via GCC:
Honda to begin leasing Clarity fuel cell vehicle in California by year end; targeting <$500/month
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/01 ... month.html

. . . Honda expects to price the Clarity Fuel Cell at around $60,000 with a targeted monthly lease under $500.

Honda expects limited volumes in the early stages of production. Deliveries will begin through certified fuel cell vehicle dealers in Los Angeles and Orange counties as well as the San Francisco Bay Area and Sacramento. The company will start by leasing vehicles and expects to move to retail sales with increased volumes and market coverage coincident with increasing vehicle supplies and the growing hydrogen refueling station network. . . .
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Re: Official Honda Clarity Fuel Cell thread

Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:16 pm

Via GCC:
Honda begins sales of Clarity Fuel Cell in Japan; targeting 200 units first year
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/03 ... honda.html

On 10 March, Honda Motor Co. began sales in Japan of its all-new fuel cell vehicle (FCV), the Clarity Fuel Cell. (Earlier post.) Honda is targeting sales of approximately 200 units in the first year, with a focus on lease sales mainly to local government bodies or businesses Honda has already been working with over the years for the development and popularization of FCVs.

During this period, Honda will collect information about the in-market use of the Clarity Fuel Cell as well as its external power output device and gather opinions and requests from customers and other relevant organizations, and then later begin sales to individual customers. . . .
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