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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:53 pm

Via IEVS:
Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid Priced From $33,400, 47 Miles Range
https://insideevs.com/honda-clarity-plug-in-hybrid-priced-from-33400/

That's MSRP, plus $890 dest. 17 kWh pack. Nationwide availability, unlike the BEV/FCEV. 5 seats, but no shots of trunk space yet.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:03 pm

That is actually a very attractive price.
Good for Honda! Long time coming

My arithmetic says they are using 75% of the pack. Toyota is more conservative with their plug-in, using about 64%.
I'd hate to see Honda repeat their mistakes in hybrids and dial in accelerated battery degradation. What kind of cooling does this pack have ?

Addendum: A google search found water cooled pack. DOUBLE good for them!

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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:58 pm

Finally a plug-in with a 7kw charger.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:49 am

Honda’s version of a Volt.

Curious what the gas economy and heating system will look like in the real world

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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:48 pm

That's a good starting point price.
The Touring trim and adding a rear deck spoiler option makes the car look much better. (Assume the spoiler will be available from the EV version)

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid Priced From $33,400, 47 Miles Range
https://insideevs.com/honda-clarity-plug-in-hybrid-priced-from-33400/

That's MSRP, plus $890 dest. 17 kWh pack. Nationwide availability, unlike the BEV/FCEV. 5 seats, but no shots of trunk space yet.

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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:21 pm

I see nothing about seat or steering wheel heaters.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:20 pm

Per the article, heated front seats are standard. No mention of heated steering wheel or rear seats, although they might come with one of the option packages. Compared to a Volt, for $95 more ($80 MSRP + $15 dest.) you lose 6 miles AER but gain a fifth seat and Honda's reputation for reliability, which I'm sure many people will consider an acceptable trade. OTOH, it still suffers in the looks department, and it's a sedan rather than a hatchback which decreases its utility/flexibility a bit.

I haven't found a full test drive from any of the auto mags yet, but here's a short review from ABG comparing the EV and PHEV from back in June. They do say that the trunk provides usable space without any battery hump, but no dimensions or photos.

My opinion, as long as you can put up with the looks and (probably) the less sporty handling (it's a considerably heavier car), for the average buyer this one will win out over the Volt.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:42 pm

Honda's reputation in the area of hybrids is nothing to get excited over, and with no heated steering wheel I'm not interested. It's also pretty ugly.
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:53 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Honda's reputation in the area of hybrids is nothing to get excited over
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While true, what proportion of the general public do you think is aware of and will make that distinction?

and with no heated steering wheel I'm not interested. It's also pretty ugly.

As for the steering wheel, while I understand your personal requirement for same, I don't see that as a major issue for the general public. Most of them will just use heat as they would in any ICE, and let the engine kick on if necessary. The more normally they can treat a PHEV, the more acceptable it's likely to be to the mainstream. That is the major advantage of HEVs, as you don't have to behave any differently (but can if you choose). A PHEV requires people to recognize they'll need to make one change in their behavior (plugging in) to benefit, but no more. We have no disagreement on the looks, though! :lol:
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Re: Official Honda Clarity FCEV/BEV/PHEV thread

Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:42 pm

If this is Accord size it is a pretty big car
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