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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:43 am

I've got no specific advice for them as I have no real idea how to go about it, but so far I've emailed insideevs, green car congress, and transport evolved. Even if they ran the story before, Elon's talk in Paris gives it a new angle, so maybe they'll pick it up again. You'd think a chance at an almost totally free Tesla would attract more attention.
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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:37 am

You'd think a chance at an almost totally free Tesla would attract more attention.


How is it "almost totally free"??? It looks like you may be able to get a Tesla for free and some cash back from them to boot, by getting a less expensive model, if I understand correctly...
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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:06 am

Yeah, you could do it that way. But I'd probably go for a P90 with dual chargers and even if I could stay within CXC's award amount, MA taxes will add up to more than the $5,500 cash the winner gets as well (I wouldn't need the electrician)

Of course, if you opted for an X, I've heard they top out around $150k fully optioned, so it's much less than totally free.

Depends on what you want.
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'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:14 am

My pleasure! Sorry you had trouble getting my attention sooner!

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:15 am

Thank you, kind sir!

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:20 am

Hi, @DNAinaGoodWay,

Some of the sites, like electrek.co, just notice things and write about them. Others, like cleantechnica.com, have very supportive management and once they notice something are very happy to write about it. Some authors/writers/bloggers are blown away by the raffle and when they understand the tax thing are even more impressed. Still others don't seem particularly interested.

I do think that people are slightly put off by a raffle. There's an element of self-interest involved: it's a fund-raiser! For me, the slight negative association is vastly outweighed by the large positives. At this point, I can safely say that MANY people have heard about carbon pricing, or had it elevated in their consciousness, due to this raffle. The raffle is definitely doing double-duty very effectively.

I've taken your list below and added it to mine.

Thanks,
Alan

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:I've got no specific advice for them as I have no real idea how to go about it, but so far I've emailed insideevs, green car congress, and transport evolved. Even if they ran the story before, Elon's talk in Paris gives it a new angle, so maybe they'll pick it up again. You'd think a chance at an almost totally free Tesla would attract more attention.

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:21 am

I haven't emphasized this angle primarily because when I first devised the prize structure it never even OCCURRED TO ME that someone would configure a less expensive car. Shows my bias, eh? I was primarily concerned that someone would want to toss in even more options, which they can, with their own cash.

But it's absolutely the case that if you configure a less expensive version of the vehicle, the difference winds up back in your hands. Tax situation remains the same, including CXC payment to US IRS.

Alan


LeftieBiker wrote:
You'd think a chance at an almost totally free Tesla would attract more attention.


How is it "almost totally free"??? It looks like you may be able to get a Tesla for free and some cash back from them to boot, by getting a less expensive model, if I understand correctly...

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:27 am

Yes, this is all true.

We picked $5K towards state vehicle taxes because those taxes vary per-state and hard to take into account in advance. Didn't want to run through the tax codes of 50 states.

That said, I've modeled out some scenarios and am quite hopeful that when the winner also factors in the $7500 federal tax credit and in some states a per-state credit or rebate (e.g., $2500 in MA), that the winner will come out net zero re car+fees+taxes. Probably in some cases with a positive result, even if spending the full amount on the car.

It's all these complications that caused me to put "No Pain" in quotes and cause a lot of text and discussion / rules in the raffle. So hard to account for all possible expenses and taxes and fees. So really, we're taking away a HUGE AMOUNT of the pain but can't literally promise that you will not have to put some dollars out somewhere, or be temporarily out some money until the next tax season comes along and you take advantage of the credits.

Hope all this makes sense.

Alan

P.S. I expect that you could order an X that came in at <= $103K and thus arrive at a car config that was pretty painless. Such a config is not available today but one hopes may be available soon, now that the vehicles are shipping and you can smell Tesla's anxiety to open up the ordering generally!


DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Yeah, you could do it that way. But I'd probably go for a P90 with dual chargers and even if I could stay within CXC's award amount, MA taxes will add up to more than the $5,500 cash the winner gets as well (I wouldn't need the electrician)

Of course, if you opted for an X, I've heard they top out around $150k fully optioned, so it's much less than totally free.

Depends on what you want.

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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:15 am

The story is up on GCC:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/12 ... 3-cxc.html



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'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 AHr
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 AHr


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Re: Climate XChange Raffling off a new Tesla

Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:46 am

Made it onto my iPhone Apple news feed, and I've never heard of ValueWalk, they must have just picked it up somehow.

Buy A Tesla Motors Inc Raffle Ticket To Win A Model S Or Model X - ValueWalk
https://apple.news/A5CY9gOMXMPWkAYawnAeYbQ

Ack! Had to ask the author for a correction on their Facebook page, he has Tesla running the raffle. Sloppy journalism!
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 AHr
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 AHr


6.72 kW Array

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