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Porsche "Misson E" - A 300 mile EV

Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:37 am

Will VW and Porsche with their resources be the demise of Tesla not only with this vehicle and
to the so-called Model E in 2018 with a VW sub $35K BEV?

http://rennlist.com/articles/electric-four-door-porsche-mission-e-readying-for-production/

http://www.gizmag.com/porsche-mission-e-production/40786/
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:53 am

Nothing is a threat until it is actually in production. Otherwise, my ExcellentCar9000 with 10,000 miles of range per charge, and the ability to charge in 10 seconds would be a real threat to Tesla.

Oh, at Betteridge's Law of Headlines is in full play here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridg ... _headlines
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:01 am

aarond12 wrote:Nothing is a threat until it is actually in production. Otherwise, my ExcellentCar9000 with 10,000 miles of range per charge, and the ability to charge in 10 seconds would be a real threat to Tesla.

Oh, at Betteridge's Law of Headlines is in full play here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridg ... _headlines


Doubt Tesla would consider your application for a strategic marketing position.
You might want to update your LinkedIn info if that's your background.

There's no real "barrier to entry" for any automotive OEM to challenge Tesla, e.g. the technology is
widely available to all and no one has any exclusive 'rent'. It's only the potential market size that limits
who enters the BEV market. It's naive for any present BEV 'player' to not consider a potential threat
from any ICE vehicle OEM not presently in the BEV market or any proposed future vehicle technology
e.g. FCEV..

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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:19 am

To answer the title/question, no. They are trying to prepare for production in 2020, by then Tesla will have more/new/better/cheaper/etc. offerings, so I think Tesla will probably do fine for quite some time.
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:32 am

If the Mission E drives like a Porsche, it will sell well. However, that's far from being a threat to Tesla. Both of these vehicles can coexist, and even grow the market.

Tesla isn't banking on Model S / X sales sustaining the company. They are banking on the Model III doing that. And their M.O. is to make the best possible car for the class / price. The Model III is aimed at BMW 3-series. If BMW created a 3-series EV, I think it would be more of a threat to Tesla than the Mission E. And yet, even that car would just validate Tesla's presence.

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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:43 am

I remember reading this a little bit ago and at that point I thought Porsche was thinking of making another supercharger-esque connector. Not SAE, not CHAdeMO, not SuperCharger, but something else that is like 800VDC and can do the 80% charge of the Mission-E in a really low amount of time.

And while that is awesome, if it is not backwards compatible with something else it might not adopt well. We have quite a few Porsche dealerships around here but even if each of them were mandated to install one of these new charging stations it would be a hassle to go any real distance since they are generally in the centers of town.

And as already mentioned by the time it is produced (if ever really) there will have already been another generation of Tesla or two. A 5 year design cycle on a brand new car is shorter than average nowadays. We have some schematics at my company now designing component ICs for 2022 to 2024 MY vehicles...
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:54 am

don't have to read the article (which probably 90% BS and speculation anyway) to answer the question which is no. they will just carve out a niche in the luxury EV market. how big? well that is up to them but they have never had a huge slice of any market and doubtful that anything is going to change but i guess we shall find out "soon" enough...
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:24 pm

I'd like to see a lot of threats to Tesla in the future! :D
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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:37 pm

I'd like to see a lot of threats to Tesla in the future! :D

Elon does too. So far, none have materialized. This is my point -- until it materializes, it's not a real threat. This doesn't mean Tesla and others don't notice what other manufacturers are doing and try and stay ahead of them. Of course they do!

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Re: Porsche "Misson E" - A real Tesla Threat?

Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:02 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:If the Mission E drives like a Porsche, it will sell well. However, that's far from being a threat to Tesla. Both of these vehicles can coexist, and even grow the market.


But it will reduce the Tesla share of the MS type market!

GetOffYourGas wrote:Tesla isn't banking on Model S / X sales sustaining the company. They are banking on the Model III doing that. And their M.O. is to make the best possible car for the class / price. The Model III is aimed at BMW 3-series. If BMW created a 3-series EV, I think it would be more of a threat to Tesla than the Mission E. And yet, even that car would just validate Tesla's presence.


You and others seem to forget about the Porsche parent company, i.e. VW. The Misson E technology will
easily be scaled and transferred to any potential Model E type product VW decides to market. Do you and
others really think that ANY OEM automotive company is going to ignore the potential of the Model E market,
i.e. if it really materializes? The technology will be there for all to utilize. Tesla will have no real advantage
nor any key ecosystem. Yes, the SC provides a short term advantage, but it can be easily replicated.
By the way, how's that Giga factory doing? You would think at this point in time it would be producing
a limit production of batteries to supplement Panasonic's. Where's the balance of Panasonic's $2.5B it
was to provide for Giga?

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