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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:30 am

JejuSoul wrote:The I oniq BEV has a normal 12V battery at the front.

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It is the I oniq Hybrid that has the 12V battery hidden at the back.


Good point. You're right. I can't find it now, but I think I read somewhere that they're considering going with it in the next gen Ioniq BEV. I like the idea of it, given the problems with Leaf 12vs. Nice pic too. Thanks.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:41 am

evnow wrote:The big question is - is the Ioniq any better than Ford Focus EV. No, not in terms of technology - but in terms of selling intent.

FFE was also "available for ordering" from all states (IIRC). But never reached above 2k per year in sales ! In 2016 sold less than 1k !!


FFE was always special order only here, but now my local Ford dealer tells me they're going to stock some, and they've completed the certification process for EVs. Ioniq is due here in April, I think. Hope they follow suit.

Still extremely rare here to see any EV mentioned in local TV, radio, or newspaper advertising. It's like the dealers don't care for them or something.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:06 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:FFE was always special order only here, but now my local Ford dealer tells me they're going to stock some, and they've completed the certification process for EVs. Ioniq is due here in April, I think. Hope they follow suit.

Still extremely rare here to see any EV mentioned in local TV, radio, or newspaper advertising. It's like the dealers don't care for them or something.

One problem with special order is that - You have to go to a dealer, hassle him to order, wait for a couple of months to show up. You can't see the car before hand. Since dealer has no interest in selling, you pay MSRP. So you might end up paying more than a competing car with a higher MSRP !

Some people were praising Hyundai on the pricing - which is all well and good - but the intent is to sell just a few, they can even give the cars away and not lose too much money.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:31 am

Absolutely. I would never special order. If local dealers aren't invested enough to be certified and employ EV techs, it's not worth the risk. A FFE wouldn't be my first choice, but if I can get them close to giving it away to me, I might try one.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:44 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
evnow wrote:Still extremely rare here to see any EV mentioned in local TV, radio, or newspaper advertising. It's like the dealers don't care for them or something.


Here in the Los Angeles market Chevy is advertising the heck out of the Bolt on the radio. Funny listening to a certain right wing radio host who has shat all over EVs for years doing commercials for the Bolt now.

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:58 am

GGC has the most comprehensive report of the press event:

Driving Hyundai’s electrified Ioniq line-up; cost-effective efficiency and dynamics
21 February 2017
Hyundai has begun the US roll-out of its Ioniq line-up of electrified vehicles: hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric. (Earlier post.) The Ioniq Hybrid offers up to the highest fuel economy in the US (up to 58 mpg / 4.05 l/100 km) for a non-plug-in vehicle and the Ioniq Electric is the industry’s most efficient EV (136 mpge / 25 kWh/100 miles).

In addition to efficiency and value, a key design goal for the Hyundai team was driveability: specifically, a fun-to-drive, “segment-appropriate” driving experience. During the media launch last week in Santa Barbara, California, Hyundai provided production versions of the hybrid and battery-electric vehicle, and a pre-production version of the plug-in hybrid. Based on relatively short drives in all three variants, we conclude that Hyundai nailed its goals. In addition to the fuel efficiency of the powertrains (described in this earlier post), the Ioniqs are quiet, comfortable, and appropriately dynamic—although not high-performance, all models are a pleasure to drive...

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/02 ... ioniq.html

CT's conclusion reflects my own, that until LEAF gen 2 comes out, the Ioniq is probably the best BEV option available, unless you are a special needs driver...

...My overall impression of the Ioniq is that it’s a solid car at a great price, both the Hybrid and the Electric, and it very well could be the sleeper that gets awakened once people realize they can get a quality compact car that also happens to be an excellent green vehicle, but which doesn’t look like one. Honestly, after a day behind the wheel of the Ioniq, I was quite impressed, but when I heard the pricing for the 2017 Hybrid, I was like, “Seriously? Take my money.” The pricing on the Electric is also impressive, and might be a serious contender for those considering the Bolt or the LEAF, but for my needs, a hybrid that gets 58 mpg for just a bit more than 20 grand is well worth considering.

If you absolutely need a longer electric range, or have more money to spend to get a luxury interior, or all the bells and whistles, or you’re a driver’s driver who wants their “green” car to be on the cutting edge, then by all means, I would suggest shopping around a lot more (or perhaps you’re already on the waiting list for the Model 3). But if you want a great small car with excellent mileage, then I recommend checking out one of the 2017 Ioniq models...

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/22/20 ... mpression/

Outstanding efficiency is really what sets the Ioniq apart from its leading competitors, IMO:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do? ... 8&id=38549
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:29 pm

Stopped at my local Hyundai dealer and turns out they will be stocking them. The ones they've ordered so far are at sea and should be here in a couple weeks. They also told me there may be good lease deals right off the bat and conquest cash. Finally some EV variety to choose from.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:44 pm

It will be interesting to see how widely available these will really be. I expect we'll see them in CA first, then CARB states, then maybe pseudo-CARB states like WA, then "maybe" the rest, Certainly here in eastern WA, my best bet is 300 mi away in Portland, OR. I'm guessing that my Tesla model 3 will be ready around the same time. Choices choices. This from someone who definitel needs a bigger garage instead of another vehicle.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:10 pm

DesertSprings wrote:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
evnow wrote:Still extremely rare here to see any EV mentioned in local TV, radio, or newspaper advertising. It's like the dealers don't care for them or something.


Here in the Los Angeles market Chevy is advertising the heck out of the Bolt on the radio. Funny listening to a certain right wing radio host who has shat all over EVs for years doing commercials for the Bolt now.


That's not my quote. You are attributing to the wrong poster ...
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:16 pm

Excellent discussion of the Ioniq, with comparisons to other BEVs and PHEVs at the thread below:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... ads/54013/

The images of the trim and option packages at the bottom of the first page makes clear just how well-equipped the base BEV is, for only ~$30k, before incentives.
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