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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:15 pm

Valdemar wrote:So, why would I buy the Ioniq EV over the 2017 VW eGolf with upgraded battery?


With like 7 more kWh it only gets 1 mile more range? What's up with that?
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:35 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Excellent discussion of the I oniq, with comparisons to other BEVs and PHEVs at the thread below:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... ads/54013/

Agreed. That's a great link. Thanks.

Further info on the Hybrid 12V battery. Here in Korea the I oniq Hybrid was released last year with the 12V battery at the back (seen in the graphic at the left). But in 2017 they have released the new version without the 12V battery, (seen in the graphic at the right).

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The most unusual thing about the I oniq is how rapidly they are making changes. In just 1 year.
1/ Hybrid loses 12V battery.
2/ Korean Electric switches from Chademo to CCS1
3/ New 'Taxi' version in Korea with greater rear headroom.

And the biggest change of all, that next year the battery size will be increased.

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:51 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
Valdemar wrote:So, why would I buy the Ioniq EV over the 2017 VW eGolf with upgraded battery?


With like 7 more kWh it only gets 1 mile more range? What's up with that?

Efficiency can trump capacity

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:01 pm

rmay635703 wrote:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
Valdemar wrote:So, why would I buy the Ioniq EV over the 2017 VW eGolf with upgraded battery?


With like 7 more kWh it only gets 1 mile more range? What's up with that?

Efficiency can trump capacity


The eGolf is more efficient than the Leaf already. So the fact the Ionic is even more efficient is wonderful but I personally don't care much, sure there will be times when I have to wait for the eGolf to charge longer due to its larger battery but it is a better car all around for about the same $, and driven around city eGolf should give better range as I suspect a big chunk of Ioniq's efficiency advantage comes from better aerodynamics during freeway driving.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:46 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
Valdemar wrote:So, why would I buy the Ioniq EV over the 2017 VW eGolf with upgraded battery?


With like 7 more kWh it only gets 1 mile more range? What's up with that?


AFAIK:

Ioniq 28kWh is capacity available to user
E-Golf 35kWh is total capacity

So, available capacity is most likely similar

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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:14 am

USA build and price page is now available for the hybrid:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your-hyundai/
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:23 pm

As I look to replacing my leased Leaf by May - I've to scratch Ioniq out.

My plan is to take an EV on lease and transfer the lease when I get Model 3 (I expect somewhere between Q2 and Q4 of next year).

Hyundai lease transfers are not allowed. I'm not about to start buying EVs now ... So, Ioniq is out.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:08 pm

Rebel44 wrote:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
Valdemar wrote:So, why would I buy the Ioniq EV over the 2017 VW eGolf with upgraded battery?


With like 7 more kWh it only gets 1 mile more range? What's up with that?


AFAIK:

Ioniq 28kWh is capacity available to user
E-Golf 35kWh is total capacity

So, available capacity is most likely similar


This was my thought too. Based on previous knowledge of the Soul EV, and the fact that Kia and Hyundai are the same company. The Soul EV seems to advertise battery size by usable capacity, whereas the eGolf is advertised by total (nominal) capacity.

One day, maybe we can cut through this mess and all EVs will use the same metric. IMO, that should be usable capacity.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:44 pm

Via GCR:
2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric: first drive review of 124-mile electric car
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ectric-car

Short version: nice features, good brake blending plus regen paddles, efficient, but battery pack under rear seats and cargo area limit headroom and usable space more than LEAF, Bolt etc. (rear seat only suitable for small adults), despite numbers indicating Ionic has more volume. Sounds like a good commute car for one/two, with room for pre-adolescent kids in back.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:09 am

GRA wrote:Sounds like a good commute car for one/two, with room for pre-adolescent kids in back.


AKA, the family sedan. Until recently, most affordable BEVs seems to come in the small-but-tall hatchback form factor. I'm glad to see them spreading to other options.
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