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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:11 pm

It's not just there for styling. Part of it has to do with safety and aerodynamics. Doors have been getting bigger, thicker and higher so that they can withstand side impacts better. A pillars have done the same for roll overs. The Volvo probably wasn't designed like that for looks as much as it was probably a compromise. It looks like a 240 based car and the door probably couldn't be changed. I read an interview about the volt that said the small windows and the blacked out trick to make them look bigger were a result of being based on the cruze and having those dimensions dictated to them by the way the platform was engineered for crash tests and as a result of lowering the roof for better aerodynamics they had windows that were too small.


Sorry, but no. The Volvo 262C was a Bertone exercise in styling, and had nothing whatsoever to do with safety. The other 260 series cars had normal window height just like the 240 series whose platform they shared. And anything GM says about the Volt concept car now is BS: it was a Camaro concept car with a golf cart drivetrain (literally, not figuratively) slapped into it. GM never planned to produce the Volt, and just used parts they already had on hand. Probably including a used golf cart, since it repeatedly broke down.

Getting back on topic: I wonder if Hyundai/Kia have improved the electric power steering to give it some feel...
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:25 pm

Via IEVS:
Kia Niro PHEV Gets Official EPA Ratings – ~28 Miles On Electric In City, 46 MPG
https://insideevs.com/kia-niro-phev-gets-official-epa-ratings/

. . . The Kia Niro PHEV has been officially rated by the EPA at 26 miles of electric range combined and 46 MPG. Total range is some 560 miles.

The breakdown for electric range is as follows:

City: 27.65 miles
Highway: 24.02 miles
Combined: 26 miles
The PHEV composite MPGe figures seen below are not what you’ll see on the window sticker. The window sticker will show a combined MPGe figure of 105. . . .

Moving on to fuel economy, here’s how those numbers break out:

48 MPG city
44 MPG highway
46 MPG combined . . . .
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:47 pm

Via GCR:
2018 Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid first drive review
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114356_2018-kia-niro-plug-in-hybrid-first-drive

No AWD available. The electric motor is just 60hp, so the gas engine is likely to be switched on a lot when climbing or accelerating, but should be fine for ambling around town or not-too-fast freeway cruising on the flat. Cargo space is okay (photo with seats folded), and while folding the rear seats doesn't give a flat cargo floor, the slope is small (looks about the same as my Forester, which I've often slept in) and the base is flush with the load floor. The height looks to be shallow as the pack is under the cargo floor. It's a nice looking, small wagon/hatchback, priced from $29k to $35k according to Kia. My impression is that it needs more motor for the U.S. market, and we'll see on the cargo height.
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Via IEVS:
2018 Kia Niro Plug-In Priced From $28,840, Build Yours Today
https://insideevs.com/kia-niro-phev-priced-28840/

The all-new Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid will start at $27,900, according to the automaker’s website.

Kia just released the first financing and lease deals for the new Niro Plug-In. The leasing info also reveals the vehicle’s starting price: $28,840 (including destination). . . .

The new Kia Niro Plug-In starts at $28,840 according to CarsDirect. That price represents a steep $4,660 increase over the standard Niro, which starts at $24,180 (including $940 destination). But even though the Niro may be more expensive on the surface, it’s actually cheaper than some of its closest competitors when digging into lease deals.

The base Niro LX Plug-In can be had for $259 per month for 36 months with $1,999 due at signing when factoring in the $4,543 Federal tax credit and allowance of 12,000 miles per year. The Toyota Prius, meanwhile, comes in at $269 per month with the same terms and amount due at signing. The Prius Prime Plus is even more expensive at $349 per month. . . .

The Kia Niro PHEV will arrive at dealerships early in 2018, and will be available in three different trim levels LX, EX, and EX Premium.

Turns out you can build your own Kia Niro PHEV right now. Here’s a link to the configurator. Have at it.
https://www.kia.com/us/en/build/niro-plug-in-hybrid/2018/trims?trim=2&model=765

The EX and EX Premium have base MSRPs of $31,500 and $34,500 respectively, plus the $940 dest. The 8.9 kWh pack weighs 258 lb. (117 kg.), for a pack specific energy of 76 Wh/kg (note, PHEV pack, so not a pure energy battery). Max. power output is 59 kW, for a pack specific power of 504W/kg.

AEB/Lane keeping/Smart cruise control (ACC?) and a rear camera are STANDARD on all trim levels, blindspot detection/Lane Change assist/Rear Cross-traffic alert on the EX/Premium. Cloth seats for the LX, cloth/leather for the EX, leather for the Premium. If you want heated front seats you need to go for the EX or Premium, and a heated steering wheel is only available on the Premium (i.e. only with leather seats). Heated, power folding mirrors with turn signal indicators on the EX/Premium. 10-way power seats on EX/Premium, w/memory on the Premium. LED headlights on the Premium.

Most of the remaining differences between the LX and EX/Premium are appearance, infotainment or convenience, although the Premium does come with a 110V inverter for those tailgate parties or maybe power outages; not sure what its max. power rating is. I could live with either the LX or EX, but would probably opt for the EX to get the heated seats and mirrors (with the cargo cover standard instead of having to pay extra for it on the LX), although I could do without the power seats. None offer AWD, the biggest negative for the U.S. market (and me), and combined HP is only 139 for a car that has a curb weight around 3,400 lb, so performance is unlikely to be exciting.
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:18 pm

^^^
This is where Nissan sure got it right! Not only heated seats(all around! at least on my base '13S) but a heated steering wheel, all on the base model!
Personally, I'd rather have a heated steering wheel than seats but would like both, but I DON'T want leather :x
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:47 pm

Teaser images here:

Concept for Kia Niro EV all-electric wagon to appear at CES

We've long known that the Kia Niro wagon would get an all-electric version to accompany the 2017 Niro Hybrid and the just-launched 2018 Niro Plug-In Hybrid.

The battery-electric Niro will fill out the suite of six cars sharing the same underpinnings, with the others being the same three versions of the Hyundai Ioniq hatchback, the Niro's sibling-under-the-skin.

On Thursday, Kia announced it would show a "new all-electric concept car" at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on January 8.

While the Niro name isn't mentioned anywhere in Kia's announcement, the shape in the shadowy teaser shots makes the vehicle clear.

Also not mentioned are any specifications or capacities for the future production version of the all-electric Niro.

Kia said only that the concept will show off a "highly efficient battery-electric powertrain."...

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... ear-at-ces

Not sure how seriously to take the battery capacity report below...
NIRO EV (2018)

CES study shows E-SUV


...Kia offers so far the Niro only as a hybrid and as a plug-in hybrid, with the Niro EV complement the Koreans 2018 the series by a purely electric model. The SUV will be offered in two power levels with 40 kWh and 65 kWh (about 380 kilometers or around 500 kilometers)...

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/new ... 54800.html
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Re: Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid (and BEV ?) CUV

Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:21 pm

Via ABG:
2018 Kia Niro PHEV First Drive Review | Embracing the new normal
Low-key PHEV is another veiled threat to Prius loyalists.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/02/2018-kia-niro-phev-first-drive-review-embracing-the-new-normal/
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