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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japan

Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:24 am

I vote for a BEVx car, with a 24-30kwh battery (with an electric-only range > 60 miles) and a controllable gas generator, that can go 400 miles with a full charge and full tank of gas. On road trips, I could extend my range during pit stops by continuing to run the generator and, as needed, getting a quick-charge.

It seems like we could get there in the next 3-5 yrs.

I personally like the idea of a small gas generator that is rarely used, but available. I think we'll see cars with two battery capacity options and the option of gas generator compatable or gas henerator included.

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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japan

Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:46 am

My vote is for a $15,000 (US - after subsidies) EVx with a combination battery/propane generator to go 300+ miles of "reasonable" driving - with a 240 VAC split phase electrical power system, with a built in, on-grid style safety disconnect (and CO monitoring!) that I can "plug in" to my main home power panel and supply whole home power (up to 10,000 watts continuous). That I will buy, no question. I'll put in the 500 gallon propane tank myself.
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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japan

Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:42 pm

Marktm wrote:My vote is for a $15,000 (US - after subsidies) EVx with a combination battery/propane generator to go 300+ miles of "reasonable" driving - with a 240 VAC split phase electrical power system, with a built in, on-grid style safety disconnect (and CO monitoring!) that I can "plug in" to my main home power panel and supply whole home power (up to 10,000 watts continuous). That I will buy, no question. I'll put in the 500 gallon propane tank myself.


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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japan

Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:04 pm

Reality - a bummer!
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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japan

Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:12 am

At that low price, and based on the compact Note, I'd suspect it may have both a fairly small battery capacity, and a relatively low kW generator.

My wild guess, ~24 kWh (total) capacity, with a ~12 kW generator...?

Nissan relegates the gas engine to charging the battery

Nissan Motor plans to roll out a new type of hybrid this autumn.

The Note, the automaker's popular gas-powered minicar, will get a hybrid sibling, but the gas engine will only be used to recharge the car's battery pack.

The wheels will only get power from the battery.

The Note hybrid will be the first model in Japan to operate this way.

The advanced power system increases fuel efficiency by 40%, which means the new Note will be Japan's most fuel efficient compact car.

It will get close to 40km per liter, outdistancing the 37km that Toyota Motor's hybrid Aqua goes on a liter of gas.

The sticker price will be around 2 million yen ($19,234), which puts the note in the same ballpark as gas-powered cars...

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compani ... he-battery

If it's really due to hit the market in November, we should get more details soon.
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Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:14 am

A peek at the styling?? No additional tech info though:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105981_range-extended-electric-nissan-note-to-launch-in-november

I guess it could upstage any new Leaf offerings with more "classic" styling and extended range, IF it's designed first as an EV and second with a reasonable extended range - 200 miles - using same 24/30 KWH battery packs with QC and 6KW L2 ??

Some tough decisions by manufacturers these days.
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Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:08 am

Marktm wrote:A peek at the styling?? No additional tech info though:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105981_range-extended-electric-nissan-note-to-launch-in-november
...

That's just a recitation of the NAR article, with added speculation.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compani ... he-battery

We really still know next to nothing about the drivetrain, much less if it will be installed in a Note, or just be in another vehicle based on the same platform.

If Nissan actually has a vehicle using an entirely new drivetrain ready to be on dealer lots in Japan in just two months, it says a lot about Nissan's desire and ability to keep its future models, such as the next generation LEAF, under wraps.

Anyone who can read Japanese might be able to find some more clues in the article from January below, as mistranslated by Google...

Or "Notes EV" change the Nissan

Nissan Motor to add the electric vehicle (EV) specification also mainstay small car "notebook" this autumn...

This time, armed with new technology called "with a range extender EV", challenge the battleground in the refocus. New technology is likely to carry the advantage of the competition is as Nissan if Namame a new market. Notes EV might be a starting point for changing the flow of domestic sales.

https://newswitch.jp/p/3216
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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended Note BEV, for sale by 11/16 in Japan?

Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:02 pm

The car is a 1liter 3banger with a little over 7kwhr of battery.

If it can still get good fuel economy and range through efficiency and streamlining its a win in my book.

Lest we forget the 2000 Honda Insight converted to a bev hovers around 160wthr/mile at 65mph.

Lots of low hanging fruit

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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended Note BEV, for sale by 11/16 in Japan?

Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:25 am

this is reported to be targeted to be equivalent price as Prius C and Fit hybrid. Which is achieved via Japanese subsidy for plugin vehicle. It is also reported that the batteries are from Panasonic. There is the supposition that it has both a turbo 1.2 3cyl and the LEAFs motor, but that seems a bit far fetched to me in terms of performance and cost.

FYI its worth, Prius, Prius C, Fit and Micra are the top 4 selling cars in Japan http://www.best-selling-cars.com/japan/ ... ds-models/ If Nissan can bring out a plugin Note then that the Japanese equivalent of a plugin equivalent to America's top 4

This is seeming like a major vehicle for Nissan Japan.

Fit Hybrid 1,826,000 Yen
Aqua (Prius C) 1,761,000 Yen

so if it can be around 1,800,000 Yen after Japanese subsidy, then it will be a very compelling proposition.

I suppose that it would also be warmly received in UK/EU, particularly if it were made in UK/EU.

This is one size down from the LEAF class car. If Leaf is like the Sentra, then Note is like the Versa, (then below this is the Micra, then below the Micra are the Kei.)

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Re: Nissan's e-Power range-extended Note BEV, for sale by 11/16 in Japan?

Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:14 am

rmay635703 wrote:The car is a 1liter 3banger with a little over 7kwhr of battery.

If it can still get good fuel economy and range through efficiency and streamlining its a win in my book.

Lest we forget the 2000 Honda Insight converted to a bev hovers around 160wthr/mile at 65mph.

Lots of low hanging fruit


If so, apparently Nissan is blurring the lines of "range extended BEV" and "hybrid". With only 7kwh, it will be mostly ICE with "regen" - except for the shortest of commutes.
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