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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:02 pm

jjeff wrote:What I don't understand is why go through the losses of having a gas generator charge a battery and not being able to recharge the battery off the grid, I just don't understand the point!
I looked but didn't see anything about the size of the battery, I wonder if it's tiny like a regular Prius, therefore they'd have little to gain by plugging it in......if so I can't believe it would approach the MPG of something like a direct drive(ICE to wheels) Prius.


Based on the Japanese to EPA MPG conversion this car gets around 40mpg.

Done correctly this car should get very high city fuel economy, which will be offset by poor highway, unless of coarse their motor inside a generator series config eCVT can exceed 90% efficiency.

The reason for this car is that a $12000 MSRP Hybrid does not exist and this will help Nissan remove their faulty standard CVT XMSN off the market.

This car sells on price and speed, nothing else, nothing more

And the battery is tiny, fits under the seat and holds about 1kwhr usable.

The American version specs are likely to change, if and when it comes stateside

This car should be a no brained for city dwellers and may help mainstream hybrids moving them from a minority to a majority of the car market

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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:00 pm

Based on the Japanese to EPA MPG conversion this car gets around 40mpg.

Done correctly this car should get very high city fuel economy, which will be offset by poor highway, unless of coarse their motor inside a generator series config eCVT can exceed 90% efficiency.


Can you do a city cycle conversion? This reminds me of the Honda Fit, which I looked at and drove - until I realized that the larger Civic actually got substantially better highway fuel economy...
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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:20 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Based on the Japanese to EPA MPG conversion this car gets around 40mpg.

Done correctly this car should get very high city fuel economy, which will be offset by poor highway, unless of coarse their motor inside a generator series config eCVT can exceed 90% efficiency.


Can you do a city cycle conversion? This reminds me of the Honda Fit, which I looked at and drove - until I realized that the larger Civic actually got substantially better highway fuel economy...

Beats me how rmay635703 is doing a conversion... I guess one can try to extrapolate based upon what other vehicles get on Japanese test cycles vs. US EPA mileage.

I ran https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/ ... tions.html thru Google translate and it seems some version e-Power note gets 34.0 km per liter on the Japanese JC08 cycle which would translate into 79.973 miles per US gallon. Another version (?) says 37.2 km/L --> 87.5 miles per US gallon.

For gen 4 Prius, I'm seeing 37.2 to 40.8 km/L at http://toyota.jp/prius/grade/?padid=ag341.jpprius_grade or 87.5 or 95.97 miles per US gallon. I assume this would correspond to the regular vs. Eco version of the gen 4 Prius which get combined US EPA test results of 52 and 56 mpg (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do? ... 1&id=38062).

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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:40 am

Thanks. I thought 40mpg seemed a bit low.
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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:39 pm

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017 ... fleet.html suggests that Nissan might bring e-Power to the US.

If so, some have suggested this would be one way of sidestepping CVTs that Nissan's been so fond of using. I've heard numerous anecdotal reports that the CVTs Nissan uses are of questionable reliability. Unfortunately, it's not like Nissan would really want to use CVTs from anyone other that Jatco since Nissan owns 75% of them per https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/company/profile.html. One can see which vehicles use which CVT model at https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/products/.

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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:22 pm

rmay635703 wrote:http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/01/nissan-confirms-e-power-north-american-vehicles/

Epower edges closer

... executives are suggesting the technology will initially arrive on higher-priced nameplates.

That’s interesting, considering our initial assumption would be that e-Power would first see active duty on already economical models. Nissan also already has the aforementioned Note with a fully functional 1.2-liter humming at a constant 2,500 rpm to feed its electric power-source — and the system has garnered mostly positive reviews on the global scene. But Philippe Klein, the automaker’s chief planning officer, told Automotive News the U.S. would probably see it on more expensive models that can more easily absorb the added cost of the powertrain first.

“Our strategy is to expand to other vehicles and to other markets,” Klein said. “It’s not only for small vehicles. We’re going to go to bigger vehicles.”...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/0 ... -vehicles/

Which suggests either a larger (than 1.2 liter) ICE, or preferably a grid-chargable larger battery pack.

Still looking forward to that half-ton 4WD e-Power with a 20 available kWh pack BEVx pick-up truck.
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Re: Nissan's e-Power Note series hybrid ICEV

Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:24 am

https://reports.nissan-global.com/EN/?p=18893
The Nissan Note took the No. 1 spot in Japan’s new car sales rankings for January, as the popularity of the e-POWER electrified powertrain helped make the model the best-selling compact car in the country, Nissan announced today.
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The e-POWER version of the Note has been a hit in Japan since it was introduced in November 2016, with sales reaching more than 100,000 vehicles in the first 11 months.

Nissan Note is #1 at http://www.jada.or.jp/contents/data/ranking.html. One can run it thru https://translate.google.com to decipher it or have Chrome translate it for you (one may need to right click on the page in Chrome).

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