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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Mon May 07, 2018 6:45 pm

Via GCC:
REV Group’s ElDorado National first to complete 12-year / 500,000-mile life cycle Altoona testing of a hydrogen fuel cell transit bus
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180507-rev.html

. . . The Federal Transportation Authority’s mandated testing ensures the availability of safe vehicles for transit.

ENC’s Axess FC 40' low-floor, 100% 304 grade stainless-steel-constructed transit bus successfully completed durability, fuel economy and performance testing. The bus can refuel within 20 minutes and has a proven transit duty cycle range of more than 200 miles.

The Axess FC bus uses proven BAE System’s Series Hybrid technology, currently available on more than 8,000 buses worldwide.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed May 09, 2018 5:47 pm

Via IEVS:
Mack Trucks To Introduce Electric Refuse Truck Next Year
https://insideevs.com/mack-trucks-to-introduce-electric-refuse-truck-next-year/

. . . The first electric Mack LR is to be demonstrated in the New York City Department of Sanitation (DSNY) pilot project.

Mack Trucks encourages that the refuse vehicles are the starting point for electric trucks at current stage of EVs and charging infrastructure.

    “Mack Trucks, a part of Volvo Group, plans to have a fully electric Mack LR refuse model equipped with an integrated Mack electric drivetrain operating in North America in 2019. The New York City Department of Sanitation (DSNY), one of Mack´s largest customers, will test the demonstration vehicle in its highly demanding operations.

    Mack believes that at this stage of electromobility technology and infrastructure development, a fully electric vehicle will deliver the most value within a closed loop application, in which the truck returns home every night, such as refuse. Benefits of fully electric trucks include zero emissions, significantly reduced noise and environmental sustainability. The ability to operate quietly at night is particularly attractive to refuse customers in urban areas. . . .”

Back to the future, circa 1910.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed May 09, 2018 6:11 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Mack Trucks To Introduce Electric Refuse Truck Next Year
https://insideevs.com/mack-trucks-to-introduce-electric-refuse-truck-next-year/

. . . The first electric Mack LR is to be demonstrated in the New York City Department of Sanitation (DSNY) pilot project.
...

Back to the future, circa 1910.
Cool, huh? The fact that electric vehicles lost out back then and are now making inroads is pretty telling, IMO.

If there's a place where biofuels might make sense in creating electricity, I would think fueling trash trucks from trash could be a good idea. Unfortunately, NYC trucks its trash down here to VA and dumps it.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed May 09, 2018 6:28 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Mack Trucks To Introduce Electric Refuse Truck Next Year
https://insideevs.com/mack-trucks-to-introduce-electric-refuse-truck-next-year/

. . . The first electric Mack LR is to be demonstrated in the New York City Department of Sanitation (DSNY) pilot project.
...

Back to the future, circa 1910.
Cool, huh? The fact that electric vehicles lost out back then and are now making inroads is pretty telling, IMO.

If there's a place where biofuels might make sense in creating electricity, I would think fueling trash trucks from trash could be a good idea. Unfortunately, NYC trucks its trash down here to VA and dumps it.

Given the relatively small amount of emissions I suspect it may make more sense (and cost less) to just use bio-methane directly for existing CNG garbage trucks (rather than turning it into electricity and then using it), as is already being done in a few places, e.g.:
Toronto Rolls Out Biogas-Capable Garbage Trucks
https://inhabitat.com/toronto-waste-truck-runs-on-natural-and-bio-gas/

BSR developing biogas plant to fuel garbage truck fleet [in Berlin]
https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biogas/bsr-developing-biogas-plant-to-fuel-garbage

Eventually, it might make sense to use it for vehicle electricity, but the sewage plant itself will be burning bio-methane for CHP.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed May 09, 2018 6:34 pm

GRA wrote:Given the relatively small amount of emissions I suspect it may make more sense (and cost less) to just use bio-methane directly for existing CNG garbage trucks (rather than turning it into electricity and then using it), as is already being done in a few places, e.g.:
Toronto Rolls Out Biogas-Capable Garbage Trucks
https://inhabitat.com/toronto-waste-truck-runs-on-natural-and-bio-gas/

BSR developing biogas plant to fuel garbage truck fleet [in Berlin]
https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biogas/bsr-developing-biogas-plant-to-fuel-garbage

Eventually, it might make sense to use it for vehicle electricity, but the sewage plant itself will be burning bio-methane for CHP.
Agreed! Sounds good!
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Fri May 11, 2018 4:26 pm

Via ABG:
UPS has new electric trucks that look straight out of a Pixar movie
London and Paris first cities to see fleet of 35 delivery vehicles
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/10/ups-electric-delivery-trucks/

. . . The company revealed it's working with vehicle manufacturer Arrival on a pilot fleet of 35 lightweight electric trucks that look far more futuristic than the standard boxy vehicles. UPS says the trucks have a longer range than other delivery vehicles, reaching around 150 miles on a single charge. . . .

The trucks, which UPS will test in Paris and London, have what the company describes as a "highly advanced vehicle display," along with additional safety features. Those include a wrap-around windshield that give the driver a wider field of view (handy to spot any cyclists zipping by) and Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, which aim to lower driver fatigue.

UPS and Arrival have worked together on electric trucks since 2016, and this initial fleet should be on the roads before the end of the year. These trucks will add to UPS's armada of more than 300 electric vehicles and almost 700 hybrid vehicles across the US and Europe. . . .
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sat May 12, 2018 11:54 am

Via GCC:
Ford expands Transit plug-in hybrid van trial to Valencia
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180512-ford.html

. . . The focus in the Spanish city will be more regarding the use of small and medium fleets of Transit Custom PHEVs that are driven solely by an electric motor with a zero-emission target range of more than 50 kilometres (31 miles). The award-winning 1.0-liter EcoBoost gasoline engine serves as a range extender. . . .

Equipped with telematics and geofencing technology, 20 Transit Custom PHEV vans are being used for the 12-month trial in London that Ford launched earlier this year, working with Transport for London and a variety of fleet customers, ranging from the Metropolitan Police to courier services and construction firms.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu May 17, 2018 2:55 pm

Via GCC:
12 FUSO eCanter light-duty electric trucks handed over to first customers in the Netherlands
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180517-fuso.html

. . . PostNL, the logisticians Albert Heijn B.V., Cornelissen Groep B.V. and Technische Unie B.V. as well as the biggest online marketplace in foodservice, Bidfood B.V., will operate twelve 7.5-tonne FUSO eCanter within their fleets.

In Germany, Great Britain, Japan and in the US, the all-electric light-duty truck with an output of 129 kW and a payload up to four tonnes is already in use by costumers.

With regard to the Netherlands, all vehicles will also be used for those duties that are currently accomplished by conventionally driven vehicles. The local reduction of noise and emission as well as the increasing sustainability of the fleets were the decisive factors for the companies to choose FUSO eCanter.

With a range of 100 km (62 miles), the FUSO eCanter trucks cover the requirements of the costumers regarding the inner-city distribution. . . .
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Tue May 22, 2018 5:27 pm

Via IEVS:
Volvo Unveils Second Electric Truck – FE Electric, It’s Bigger, Badder
https://insideevs.com/volvo-unveils-second-electric-truck-fe-electric-its-bigger-badder/

Volvo Trucks presents its second all-electric truck, the FE Electric, just three weeks after the first one – FL Electric.

Volvo FE Electric
The new Volvo FE Electric is bigger – designed for heavier city distribution and refuse transport operations – with gross weights of up to 27 tonnes (vs. 16 tonnes in case of FL Electric) and is equipped with two electric motors instead of one (total 370 kW). The battery options will be 200-300 kWh for up to 200 km (125 miles) of range (FL was from 100 kWh).

Sales of the Volvo FE Electric will begin in 2019 and already the first customers signed up in Hamburg, Germany. . . .

Volvo FE Electric specs:

    Fully electrically-powered truck for distribution, refuse collection and other applications in urban conditions, GVW 27 tonnes.

    Driveline: Two electric motors with 370 kW max power (260 kW cont. power) with a Volvo 2-speed transmission. Max torque electric motors 850 Nm. Max torque rear axle 28 kNm.

    Energy storage: Lithium-ion batteries, 200-300 kWh.

    Range: Up to 200 km.

    Charging: Two different charging systems are available. CCS2: Maximum charge power 150 kW DC. Low Power Charging: Maximum charge power 22 kW AC.

    Charging time: From empty to fully charged batteries (300 kWh): CCS2 150 kW appr. 1.5 hours, Low power charging appr.10 hours.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed May 23, 2018 6:01 pm

Although the ICT has been discussed in its own thread, I'm linking this here because of the included map showing the number and distribution of ZEV buses at California transit agencies. Via GCC:
CalZEV Coalition supports Innovative Clean Transit measure under consideration at California ARB; 100% zero-emission buses
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180523-calzev.html

Of the 107 ZEV buses currently in service, 87 are BEVs (81.3%) and 20 are FCEVs (18.7%), including 13 in my local bus agency. Of the 340 more on order, 50 are FCEVs (14.7%) and the remaining 290 (85.3%) are BEVs, including the largest single order of 105 for LA's Metro Transit Agency.
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