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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:01 pm

edatoakrun wrote:But anyone able to suggest just what hardware would be required,

Sure. Start with a journalist with a clue.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:29 am

JasonA wrote:I agree with you (finally for a change!!) 100%

Get these new 100kw NexGen combo CHAdeMO/CCS units out there and start cranking away!

Sad state of affairs for the Baker station.. just get it done already!



They better because all the DC stations I have used lately are putting out 39-43KW. Have fun charging a large pack at 40Kw with a per minute charge and don't forget to stop charging before it tapers and you are paying crazy rates.

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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:05 pm

edatoakrun wrote:I suspect it would not be quite this simple:

...the I-PACE DC-DC converter knocks out 250A at 12 Volts from the larger 90kWh battery meaning that you can stick a 3kW inverter onto the 12V battery and run your home from it...

https://electrek.co/2018/06/14/jaguar-i ... verything/

But anyone able to suggest just what hardware would be required, if you could use the 12 V DC output to safely draw close-to-3 kWh, at 120/240 V?

That's more than my whole-house-and-well draw, as long as I'm not using the geothermal heat pump. <snip>

Not even going to get into what equipment you'd need for a homebrew, but one of the standard inverters I used to sell back in the Off-grid AE Stone age was the Trace 2012 (2000W @ 12V). Working from quarter-century old memory here, but I think it was good for 6k surge for motor start up, 2kW for 30 minutes, and something like 1,400W continuous, all off a 12V L-A pack. We normally spec'd them with short (definitely <5') 4/0 AWG cables to handle the surge without sucking the voltage down to the Low Voltage cut-off point, although for continuous use without a big surge you could probably use 2/0 AWG cables (but I wouldn't). Point being, it can be done, but I sure as hell wouldn't recommend anyone casually mess with it, unless they're willing and able to pay if it fails a smoke test.

[Edit] Well, whaddaya know, found the 2012 owner's manual online, and my memory has held up pretty well: http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Discontinued-Products/971-9901-03-01.pdf
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:35 pm

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JasonA wrote:1. YES! Tesla started off (small) but those SpC's were always BIGGER than the car's largest spec battery was so at least I'm charging at a 1c or avg rate.

I don't have a full charging profile yet, but I saw 103 kW when I started charging at a SoC of 48% earlier this week and 39 kW at 80%. That works out to ~ 1.3c and I'll guess an average 0.9 -- 1c from low battery up to 80% SoC

Tesla will likely announce SuperCharger v.3 towards the end of the year. I'm hopeful (though no specifics yet) that the new stations will let me charge at an average 1.5c from low to 80% SoC.

As for the LEAF ... DC fast charging is a joke.
The new SpC V3 are pretty easy to understand.. just rip out the current 11kw stacks and put in the new (and even smaller for factor) 72a chargers.. from Tony...
this GEN2 charger (72 amps max) looks like the same foot print as the GEN1 (40 amps max), which makes sense to upgrade the Superchargers.

The original 90kW Superchargers had 9 chargers (3 on each phase).

The 120kW Superchargers have 12. Somewhere in that time, they increased the output of each charger (or bumped the number up to 15) since each current Supercharger now has a 140kW output, limited to 120kW for each of the two stalls that it charges.

Just swapping in the GEN2 chargers at 72 amps into each Supercharger will nearly double the capacity, hence when Musk talks about v3 Superchargers at “200 to 250kW”, it’s clearly already possible.

Expect a flood on the market of GEN1 chargers!!


Just don't see any other manufacturer doing anything near this or rapid expansion...
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:54 pm

^^ I'm pretty sure that the 48A and 72A chargers in Tesla models are themselves made up of smaller component bundles. Perhaps 24 A ?
You are right though that Superchargers to date have been bundles of car chargers so there is something to Tony's speculative approach. However, a faster supercharger is going to be more than just a swap of a faster component charger if it is going to increase the rate into my Model 3. After all, I'm already limited to about 114 kW Max now, which is below the current SuperCharger spec.

I presume cooling has to come into play since the voltage is set by the battery architecture. I'll guess that Tesla can upgrade the stations to provide 120 kW to each cable concurrently by just popping in higher Amp components (presuming the feed from the utility can handle the load) but I was talking about increasing the max charge rate to my Model 3.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:01 pm

2019 Jaguar I-Pace EV first drive: Recalibrate your expectations

Jag's well-executed electric debut leaves all the other established luxury marques playing catchup

...The Takeaway


Beyond being a very pleasant car in its own right, the I-Pace feels like the start of something. Maybe this is the moment electric vehicles begin to lose their Silicon Valley sheen -- and stigma -- and begin to really work their way into the mainstream...

Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews ... z5IvFBdMOp

Or put another way, buyers no longer have to put up with TSLA's extensive record of faults and failures...
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:49 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Or put another way, buyers no longer have to put up with TSLA's extensive record of faults and failures...

Instead they can step up to the legendary quality control and reliability of Jag-you-are. :roll:
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:11 pm

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edatoakrun wrote:Or put another way, buyers no longer have to put up with TSLA's extensive record of faults and failures...

Instead they can step up to the legendary quality control and reliability of Jag-you-are. :roll:

It does pose an interesting question - is it possible that Jaguar could actually be better at QC than Tesla? Why, next thing you know, someone will report an MGB that's not only survived this long in running condition (without shedding any major parts), but doesn't leak oil all over their driveway, regularly refuse to start or have the entire electrical system fail repeatedly. :o

On a more serious note, Jaguar seems to have done an excellent job at an integrated design.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Positive reviews continue.

The existential question that more and more ICEV addicts should be asking themselves...

The All-Electric 2019 Jaguar I-Pace First Drive: So Good, It'll Keep You Up at Night

Listen up, gasheads: The fantastic new Jaguar EV will come silently in the dark and eat your young.


... Jaguar has fired the first meaningful shot at Tesla’s EV primacy, and it's not a shot across the bow. This one is a direct hit, right into the hull. The Jaguar I-Pace, which I spent two days caning on the back roads across the picturesque and impoverished farmlands of southern Portugal and on the Algarve International Circuit in Portimao, is a sporty, electric revelation.

After 30 minutes of driving the I-Pace, I began a battle in my head: Why do ICE cars even exist anymore? This car is an appealing low-slung crossover with outrageous linear acceleration and a ride that toggles between pleasant and aggro. It also has an interior that doesn’t skimp on content in the name of weight savings (EVs have always been bedeviled by chintzy design compromises). It doesn’t rattle or skitter over bumps. It is planted, fierce, and fun to drive...

The I-Pace is an expensive car, but it’s smartly-priced to grab buyers from all the Teslas, as well as other competitors like the Porsche Macan GTS, the BMW X4 M40i, and whatever crossover EVs Mercedes and Audi have coming. But Jaguar is here first, and it's built a killer with enough chops to keep an old gashead like me awake at night, fretting over the past while dreading the future a little less.


http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/21601/ ... p-at-night

Electrifying Jaguar I-Pace Sets a Benchmark Even Tesla Will Have to Clear

Performance, handling, style and spaciousness come together to redefine the BEV.


by Paul A. Eisenstein on Jun.14, 2018

Whether on a track or a back country road the 2019 Jaguar I-Pace is a real game-changer.

I have seen – and driven – the future, and it is electric....

It is easy to fall back on clichés when trying to describe Jaguar’s first all-electric model, but it truly is electrifying, and by virtually every measure, it not only sets a benchmark for future battery-electric vehicles but also shows that BEVs can pose a direct challenge to conventional gas-powered models when it comes to not only design, interior space, comfort and utility, but performance and handling, as well...

As we plunged into that mountain stream we couldn’t help but think of the irony that a company once known for its trouble-plagued electrical technology could help transform the world of electric propulsion. But if our trip to the Algarve is any indication, the 2019 Jaguar I-Pace provides a benchmark for the emerging electric vehicle segment, proving BEVs really can do everything a gas vehicle can – and more.

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2018/06 ... -to-clear/
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:58 pm

A comment below on how the I-PACE shows how far JLR has come in the last decade:

I-PACE MARKS JAG'S EMERGENCE AS A MODERN ENGINEERING POWERHOUSE

Jaguar's electric crossover proves the company can compete with global tech leaders


We've covered Jaguar Land Rover thoroughly of late, charting its 10-year progress under Tata Motors and in this week's paper, exploring the marketing challenges involved with the introduction of the Jaguar I-Pace, the company's first electric vehicle.

I drove the I-Pace two weeks ago in southern Portugal for around 350 miles over two days, covering virtually every kind of terrain I-Pace buyers are likely to encounter and some they won't.

We drove up and down steep and twisty mountain roads, through a stream, off road, up the side of a mountain on a dusty road and flat out at 125 mph on a race track.

The I-Pace is the most capable vehicle Jaguar has ever engineered and developed -- a brutally fast electric sports car with a crossover body that can haul five people and their gear nearly anywhere they want to go for about as far as you'd want to drive in a day and, of course, without burning fossil fuel.

But here's the bigger picture: The I-Pace marks JLR's arrival as a first-rate engineering organization.

With JLR's powerful and efficient Ingenium engines and recent vehicles such as the Jaguar F-Type sports car, XE SV Project 8 performance sedan and Range Rover Velar, JLR is flexing some mighty engineering muscles.

But the I-Pace is an Olympic gold medal performance. The creativity in engineering on the I-Pace is impressive...

JLR may be small compared with Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi, but that is an advantage. One reason JLR's global sales have grown from 186,590 in 2008 to 625,109 last year is because it has very quickly rolled out new nameplates on new platforms. The I-Pace is the latest example. It took four years to go from a clean sheet design to the showroom -- perhaps a record for an EV. And JLR designed its motors in-house. All this growth has been noticed by engineers at competitors, who might spend years toiling away designing head gaskets or door handles before they get to lead development on a major system on an important vehicle...

http://autoweek.com/article/hybrid-elec ... z5JlbI7GcM

And a report on where JLR is going:
Jaguar Land Rover Investing $18 Billion In EVs

...The British manufacturer wants to offer electrified versions of all its ICE models and will increase its investments in this area by 26 per cent. Speaking during an investor presentation, Jaguar Land Rover said that these investments will come despite sales and revenue in the year to March not hitting the levels it had expected.

By 2025, the automaker intends on also offering hybrid versions of its ICE vehicles and if customer demand warrants it, will only offer full-electric versions of select models...

The first all-electric model built by Jaguar is the I-Pace, recently introduced as a rival to the Tesla Model X. Despite the vehicle representing Jaguar’s first attempt at an electric crossover, the reviews for the I-Pace have been overwhelmingly positive...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/jagua ... llion-evs/
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