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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:26 am

Here's some news, that I expect should result in 300 to 330 miles EPA combined range for the "90 kWh" pack:

Jaguar likely to offer cheaper fleet version of I-Pace electric car

Jaguar has hinted that it could offer multiple battery options of its first electric car, the I-Pace SUV, providing lower-cost versions which could broaden its appeal with fleets.

The I-Pace goes on sale from March 2018, will at first be built with the single option of a 90kWh battery providing “more than 500km” range (300 miles). Launch models could be followed by versions with reduced power and a smaller battery capacity, using the modular design of the battery pack to provide different kilowatt-hour capacities in a less expensive package. However, this will likely depend on demand.

Speaking to Jaguar’s vehicle integration manager for I-Pace, James Matthews, on-site at Jaguar’s Gaydon HQ, Fleet World was told numerous details about the vehicle including chief specifications: dual electric motors producing a combined 394bhp, 516lb/ft torque, coupled with a 90kWh (84.7kWh usable) Li-ion battery and a single speed transmission...

https://fleetworld.co.uk/jaguar-likely- ... ctric-car/

GRA wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:Some semi-official numbers reported below.

400kg lighter than a Model X.

Disappointing (IMO) if correct, ~4,500 lbs.

Why would that be disappointing? BEVs are heavier than ICEs, and 400kg. of weight savings is pretty substantial. Not sure how they stack up size-wise.

Lighter is better.

Hopefully a cheaper (and lighter) I-PACE with a smaller pack will eventually make it to our market.

The I-PACE has about the same footprint as a model 3 but is taller with a much larger cab, likely close to the same interior volume as as the (severely overweight) Tesla X.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:37 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Here's some news, that I expect should result in 300 to 330 miles EPA combined range for the "90 kWh" pack:

Jaguar likely to offer cheaper fleet version of I-Pace electric car

Jaguar has hinted that it could offer multiple battery options of its first electric car, the I-Pace SUV, providing lower-cost versions which could broaden its appeal with fleets.

The I-Pace goes on sale from March 2018, will at first be built with the single option of a 90kWh battery providing “more than 500km” range (300 miles). Launch models could be followed by versions with reduced power and a smaller battery capacity, using the modular design of the battery pack to provide different kilowatt-hour capacities in a less expensive package. However, this will likely depend on demand.

Speaking to Jaguar’s vehicle integration manager for I-Pace, James Matthews, on-site at Jaguar’s Gaydon HQ, Fleet World was told numerous details about the vehicle including chief specifications: dual electric motors producing a combined 394bhp, 516lb/ft torque, coupled with a 90kWh (84.7kWh usable) Li-ion battery and a single speed transmission...

https://fleetworld.co.uk/jaguar-likely- ... ctric-car/

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edatoakrun wrote:Some semi-official numbers reported below.


Disappointing (IMO) if correct, ~4,500 lbs.

Why would that be disappointing? BEVs are heavier than ICEs, and 400kg. of weight savings is pretty substantial. Not sure how they stack up size-wise.

Lighter is better.

Hopefully a cheaper (and lighter) I-PACE with a smaller pack will eventually make it to our market.

The I-PACE has about the same footprint as a model 3 but is taller with a much larger cab, likely close to the same interior volume as as the (severely overweight) Tesla X.

That being the case, I'm not sure how you figure 300-330 EPA. The model S90D was under 300 EPA, and it's similar in weight and a lot less draggy than this vehicle will be.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:32 am

GRA wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:Here's some news, that I expect should result in 300 to 330 miles EPA combined range for the "90 kWh" pack...

The I-PACE has about the same footprint as a model 3 but is taller with a much larger cab, likely close to the same interior volume as as the (severely overweight) Tesla X.

That being the case, I'm not sure how you figure 300-330 EPA. The model S90D was under 300 EPA, and it's similar in weight and a lot less draggy than this vehicle will be.

The Tesla S/X platform has always been in its own class for inefficiency, for reasons discussed at on-topic threads.

If the I-PACE really has about four times the available battery capacity of a 2014 MY LEAF (84 miles EPA combined) it would be disappointing if the its EPA range is not at least 300 miles.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... 4&id=30979
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:30 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:Here's some news, that I expect should result in 300 to 330 miles EPA combined range for the "90 kWh" pack...

The I-PACE has about the same footprint as a model 3 but is taller with a much larger cab, likely close to the same interior volume as as the (severely overweight) Tesla X.

That being the case, I'm not sure how you figure 300-330 EPA. The model S90D was under 300 EPA, and it's similar in weight and a lot less draggy than this vehicle will be.

The Tesla S/X platform has always been in its own class for inefficiency, for reasons discussed at on-topic threads.

If the I-PACE really has about four times the available battery capacity of a 2014 MY LEAF (84 miles EPA combined) it would be disappointing if the its EPA range is not at least 300 miles.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... 4&id=30979

Let's hope you're correct, but I doubt it. If you were to give the Bolt a 50% bigger battery that would only get it to 357 miles EPA assuming no change in weight or drag, neither of which will be the case with the I-Pace. Then there's this, from IEVS:
“Ann Voyer from Pasadena asked Jaguar if the I-PACE would have enough range to complete her favourite road trip along California’s West Coast. To answer her question, Jaguar engineers took her on a long-distance range test – on one charge only. The I-PACE production prototype drove 200 miles from Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, to Morro Bay, San Luis Obispo, on a single charge of its advanced Lithium-Ion battery. . . .”
https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-range-test-video/

While that doesn't state that it couldn't go a lot further, the fact that Jaguar is touting this trip as a pre-production range test implies that it will only achieve sub-300 miles EPA.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:06 pm

I-PACE prices apparently leaked from the Netherlands.

Discussion at Tesla forum attempts to translate those prices to likely prices in USA.

I agree:

...Here are what we currently know, based on an article from a Netherlands website.
All those prices are in the NL, in Euro, with some kind of tax, VAT or something.

S: 82k
SE: 90k
HSE: 97k
First Edition: 106k
NEDC range: 543 km
0-100 kmh: 4s

Now to have some comparison for anyone not living in the NL here are the Model S and X prices, plus range.

X75D: 92,335 € 417 km
X100D: 112,985 € 565 km
XP100D: 158,935 € 542 km

S75D: 86,585 € 490 km
S100D: 109,635 € 632 km
SP100D: 149,685 € 613 km

Now since Jaguar produces in Europe and Tesla produces in the US, our US friends might see a different pricing ration, than we Europeans. Range might also not translate exactly the same as it does with the Teslas, but I really wouldn't bet on 220 miles EPA range anymore. My guess is 250-290 miles.

Another good indicator for price at least would be the Jaguar F-Pace.

25t AWD
NL: €70,070
USA: $42,065

S-AWD
NL: € 113.630
USA: $59,775

Not sure what to make of those prices but IMO at least in Europe the iPace sounds like rather good value. Maybe someone from the Netherlands could chime in and explain, how high the taxes are and if EVs get some special bonus (I don't think so, aside from company cars and taxis, but I'm not 100% sure)

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 72/page-13

And an even better value, if priced in the USA in line with the F-PACE USA/Netherlands prices above!
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:44 pm

edatoakrun wrote:I-PACE prices apparently leaked from the Netherlands.

Discussion at Tesla forum attempts to translate those prices to likely prices in USA.
<snip>

Now since Jaguar produces in Europe and Tesla produces in the US, our US friends might see a different pricing ration, than we Europeans. Range might also not translate exactly the same as it does with the Teslas, but I really wouldn't bet on 220 miles EPA range anymore. My guess is 250-290 miles.[/b] <snip>

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 72/page-13

And an even better value, if priced in the USA in line with the F-PACE USA/Netherlands prices above!

I was figuring 250-295 EPA but expecting <=280, so seems like general agreement. Looking forward to actual U.S. prices and specs.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:36 am

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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:43 pm

With the unveiling of the production model now only ~four weeks away, looks like Jaguar will beat Tesla's model Y to market by close to two years.

2019 Jaguar I-Pace to debut before Geneva; cold-weather testing video released

...What is likely to be sold as the 2019 Jaguar I-Pace will be unveiled in its final production trim on Thursday, March 1.

That's a few days before the opening of the Geneva auto show, where the I-Pace electric SUV will make its formal debut to the public at large.

The news came by way of yet another JLR teaser video, this one showing the by-now-familiar camouflaged I-Pace prototype in wintry conditions at a test site in Arjeplog, Sweden...

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... o-released


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOnPjpFa3DU
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:11 pm

Assuming this official-looking Turkish video means > 310 miles of range on the WLTP cycle, then we might expect something fairly close to that when EPA range results are announced.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8A861ISMWg

Some more short videos from the same source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHrVQezzVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Iqob1c6PI
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:32 pm

The overhead image at the reports below shows just how large the I-PACE Cab is relative to total vehicle length.

Jaguar I-Pace production car reveal confirmed for 1 March

...The marque has released a new preview image (below) showing the I-Pace between its siblings, the smaller E-Pace and larger F-Pace. The car is due to join them in UK showrooms this July.

Jaguar said its production I-Pace, which is expected to retain almost all of the design features first shown with the concept, will be able to fast charge to 80% of its battery capacity within 45 minutes, from a 100kW charger...

CAB-FORWARD DESIGN

Not having to accommodate an internal combustion engine or conventional transmission allowed Jaguar’s designers and engineers to rethink the vehicle’s overall proportions.

Although an SUV design wasn’t a prerequisite at the very start of the electric vehicle project, it was a logical choice: the F-Pace is now the company’s best-selling model and Jaguar’s electric car needs to appeal particularly to the US market, where emissions regulations are tightening. Jaguar has even launched a button on its site to register interest in the I-Pace.

Even so, the I-Pace is an unconventional SUV, taking some of its styling cues from the stillborn hybrid C-X75 supercar. A cab-forward design, long wheelbase and short overhangs combine to maximise interior space for occupants, improve visibility and enhance driving dynamics.

At 4680mm long, 1890mm wide and 1560mm tall, the I-Pace Concept is smaller in each dimension than the F-Pace, in particular its height. However, the most significant difference is in the wheelbase: Jaguar has pushed the electric car’s out to 2990mm, compared with the F-Pace’s 2874mm. Indeed, the I-Pace’s wheelbase is 30mm longer than the XF’s, too...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/moto ... uar-i-pace

Jaguar To Livestream Electric I-Pace Reveal On March 1

...All we have to do is wait three more days to find out the full details of the all-electric Jaguar I-Pace, unless of course these somehow find their way online earlier than expected...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/jagua ... l-march-1/
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