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Fri May 18, 2012 10:19 am

Let's hope Ford can provide some real competition to Toyota, if it can get them to lower the price or provide additional range, that's great. So far no one has provided any real competition (the Volt is a 4 seat compact, Prius is a 5 seat midsize, not the same class), I think it would give them a wake up call.. With the Dollar/Yen current valuation, Ford should have a pricing advantage over Toyota, if the components are all U.S. sourced, and not imported. I say the more choices, the better.
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri May 18, 2012 7:02 pm

20 EV range is going to be more competition on the Volt but it all really comes down to price. Put it at the mid 30s before incentives and we will have an interesting battle on
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Sat May 19, 2012 12:08 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:20 EV range is going to be more competition on the Volt but it all really comes down to price. Put it at the mid 30s before incentives and we will have an interesting battle on


My bet it comes in $2k below the Volt, but you never know, Ford likes to price high and then offer incentives. Note that it wont get a full $7500 tax credit.

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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:10 pm

Ford expects 95 MPGe combined fuel economy, 20-mile all electric range from C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Ford expects the new Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid (PHEV) (earlier post) to achieve more than 20 miles of electric-only range and a 550-mile overall range on a single tank of fuel. Fuel economy is the equivalent of 95 miles per gallon (MPGe) (2.5L/100km equivalent) combined city/highway.

The C-MAX Hybrid (conventional version) is projected to have fuel economy of 47 mpg on the city cycle.

Like C-MAX Hybrid, C-MAX Energi has projected total system horsepower of 188 (140 kW) that stems from the combination of a gasoline engine and a battery-driven electric motor. When powered by gasoline, the C-MAX Energi uses the new 2.0-liter Atkinson-cycle four-cylinder engine.


Ford C-MAX Energi Plug-In Hybrid Expected to Deliver 550-Mile Range and Nearly Double Electric-Only Range of Prius

With a maximum electric-only speed projected to top that of Prius plug-in, C-MAX Energi drivers might be able to reach wherever they’re going a little faster, too.


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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:13 pm

I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...

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Ford expects the new Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid (PHEV) (earlier post) to achieve more than 20 miles of electric-only range and a 550-mile overall range on a single tank of fuel. Fuel economy is the equivalent of 95 miles per gallon (MPGe) (2.5L/100km equivalent) combined city/highway.
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:24 pm

70 Kw motor, 21 EV miles looks good. if you look at it and the 2013 Escape, its easy to see why they did away with the hybrid. just too similar
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:29 pm

TomT wrote:I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...

I highly suspect that they are quoting EPA range - otherwise they wouldn't be able to say "Nearly Double Electric-Only Range of Prius". I'd bet that it comes in at 21 miles EPA EV range.

Hmm, though the "Electric-Only" range of the Prius is technically only 6 miles before the gas engine has to kick in once (11 miles before engine fully comes on). I wonder if that means that on the EPA test the Energi will get something like 10 miles before the engine has to kick in to support the load? Doesn't really make sense, though... Going to have to wait for the EPA sticker.

The Fusion Energi is supposed to be more efficient than the C-MAX - that will be interesting, too, but a bit longer of a car than I hoped. Could be a toss-up between the 2 cars?

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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:32 pm

drees wrote:
TomT wrote:I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...

I highly suspect that they are quoting EPA range - otherwise they wouldn't be able to say "Nearly Double Electric-Only Range of Prius". I'd bet that it comes in at 21 miles EPA EV range.

Hmm, though the "Electric-Only" range of the Prius is technically only 6 miles before the gas engine has to kick in once (11 miles before engine fully comes on). I wonder if that means that on the EPA test the Energi will get something like 10 miles before the engine has to kick in to support the load? Doesn't really make sense, though... Going to have to wait for the EPA sticker.

The Fusion Energi is supposed to be more efficient than the C-MAX - that will be interesting, too, but a bit longer of a car than I hoped. Could be a toss-up between the 2 cars?


same 70 Kw motor so if more efficient i would guess that its because of weight, aero, etc. no real info on size of the C-max. obviously bigger than a Focus and smaller than an Escape, but how much smaller? its beginning to look like its not much smaller.

also the C Max hybrid touts regenerative braking that is 90% efficient. wondering if that applies to all 2013 Ford hybrid/electrics?
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:53 am

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/24/ford ... -29-995-a/

The U.S. federal tax credit for plug-in vehicles maxes out at $7,500 for cars with batteries that are 16 kWh or larger. The Ford C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid doesn't have that big of a pack, so the most the feds will grant you for buying one is $3,750. Still, the Energi's just-announced price of $33,745 is competitive in the plug-in space, since most people will end up paying $29,995.

Ford calls the Energi "America's most affordable plug-in hybrid," but that would seem to be just barely the case. The $33,745 price includes destination fees. The Toyota Prius Plug-In, with those fees, is priced at $32,760, and it qualifies for $2,500 in federal tax credits, so it comes to $30,260 in the end. That's just $265 more than the Energi. To make another comparison, the regular hybrid C-Max will cost $25,995, including destination. Both of these Ford vehicles will be available later this year.
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Re: Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid

Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:03 am

if i had to guess, i would say that the C-Max Energi will go for $43,000. iow, MORE than a Volt

the Transit Connect EV is $62,000 and yes its loaded with factory incentives but not to the public...

Eligibility: Balance™ Hybrid Electric & Transit Connect Electric

Amount: $15,000 For Transit Connect Electric purchased by a fleet
$20,000 For Balance™ Hybrid Electric trucks and buses purchased by a fleet
$30,000 For Balance™ Hybrid Electric school buses purchased by public school districts


the $7500 fed tax rebate would be on top of this although dont know details of whether a business would qualify but they generally qualify for a lot more than we do

**edit** u can now price a one at Ford.com i priced one out at $36,000 nicely equiped. base is $32,950. this is a much better price than i expected BUT its only a 7.5 KW battery pack
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