DaveinOlyWA wrote:20 EV range is going to be more competition on the Volt but it all really comes down to price. Put it at the mid 30s before incentives and we will have an interesting battle on
Ford expects the new Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid (PHEV) (earlier post) to achieve more than 20 miles of electric-only range and a 550-mile overall range on a single tank of fuel. Fuel economy is the equivalent of 95 miles per gallon (MPGe) (2.5L/100km equivalent) combined city/highway.
The C-MAX Hybrid (conventional version) is projected to have fuel economy of 47 mpg on the city cycle.
Like C-MAX Hybrid, C-MAX Energi has projected total system horsepower of 188 (140 kW) that stems from the combination of a gasoline engine and a battery-driven electric motor. When powered by gasoline, the C-MAX Energi uses the new 2.0-liter Atkinson-cycle four-cylinder engine.
With a maximum electric-only speed projected to top that of Prius plug-in, C-MAX Energi drivers might be able to reach wherever they’re going a little faster, too.
drees wrote:Ford expects the new Ford C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid (PHEV) (earlier post) to achieve more than 20 miles of electric-only range and a 550-mile overall range on a single tank of fuel. Fuel economy is the equivalent of 95 miles per gallon (MPGe) (2.5L/100km equivalent) combined city/highway.
TomT wrote:I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...
drees wrote:TomT wrote:I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...
I highly suspect that they are quoting EPA range - otherwise they wouldn't be able to say "Nearly Double Electric-Only Range of Prius". I'd bet that it comes in at 21 miles EPA EV range.
Hmm, though the "Electric-Only" range of the Prius is technically only 6 miles before the gas engine has to kick in once (11 miles before engine fully comes on). I wonder if that means that on the EPA test the Energi will get something like 10 miles before the engine has to kick in to support the load? Doesn't really make sense, though... Going to have to wait for the EPA sticker.
The Fusion Energi is supposed to be more efficient than the C-MAX - that will be interesting, too, but a bit longer of a car than I hoped. Could be a toss-up between the 2 cars?
The U.S. federal tax credit for plug-in vehicles maxes out at $7,500 for cars with batteries that are 16 kWh or larger. The Ford C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid doesn't have that big of a pack, so the most the feds will grant you for buying one is $3,750. Still, the Energi's just-announced price of $33,745 is competitive in the plug-in space, since most people will end up paying $29,995.
Ford calls the Energi "America's most affordable plug-in hybrid," but that would seem to be just barely the case. The $33,745 price includes destination fees. The Toyota Prius Plug-In, with those fees, is priced at $32,760, and it qualifies for $2,500 in federal tax credits, so it comes to $30,260 in the end. That's just $265 more than the Energi. To make another comparison, the regular hybrid C-Max will cost $25,995, including destination. Both of these Ford vehicles will be available later this year.
Eligibility: Balance™ Hybrid Electric & Transit Connect Electric
Amount: $15,000 For Transit Connect Electric purchased by a fleet
$20,000 For Balance™ Hybrid Electric trucks and buses purchased by a fleet
$30,000 For Balance™ Hybrid Electric school buses purchased by public school districts